Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
And regarding badges, there is this ticket open: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97014
Which badges do we need in Wikidata? I was thinking of: - Proofread - Validated - Export ready
Any thoughts on this? Can they be filled up by bot?
Thanks Micru
Which badges do we need in Wikidata? I was thinking of:
- Proofread
- Validated
- Export ready
I would go directly with
* 25% * 50% * 75% * 100% They are the 4 statuses of every page, and in Wikimedia Italia, for every Index page. We could have "Ready to export" directly dependent from 75% and 100% quality level...
Ricordisamoa and Tpt are the men to talk to for the bot :-)
Aubrey
On 1 June 2015 at 16:47, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
{{Authority control}} would be a good use case - we already have plenty of experience - and reusable code - in multiple Wikipedias.
Happy to advise further if needed.
2015-06-01 18:35 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 1 June 2015 at 16:47, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
{{Authority control}} would be a good use case - we already have plenty of experience - and reusable code - in multiple Wikipedias.
Happy to advise further if needed.
Does {{Authority control}} use Wikidata arbitrary access ? (I don't think so… but not sure). Nonetheless, This template already exists on 8 Wikisources (according to Wikidata maybe some are missing) and works fine. It should definitively be use on all Wikisources.
The template Author could maybe benefit from Wikidata arbitrary access (again not sure, user:Rical works on Modèle:Auteur on fr.ws but I can't understand his coding) (by the way, is it normal/a good idea to have this template on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5615832 mixed with the wikipedia infobox ?)
Cdlt, ~nicolas
It is true that {{Authority control}} does not need arbitrary item access, so we can assume that it is already mainstream, although it would be nice to bring it to all Wikisources
Regarding badges, I agree with Aubrey that we should reuse the current levels, not only for pages, but also for texts. From the usability point of view, I don't think that it is a good idea to use percentage numbers as badge labels, since the numbers are not descriptive, instead I would go for: - incomplete text - not proofread - proofread - validated
Remember that a page can have more than two badges, so for instance a book with some missing pages could have been "validated" and be an "incomplete text". That is probably fine.
Any other comments? Or shall we apply for the wikisource badges already?
Thanks Micru
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON <vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-06-01 18:35 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 1 June 2015 at 16:47, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
{{Authority control}} would be a good use case - we already have plenty of experience - and reusable code - in multiple Wikipedias.
Happy to advise further if needed.
Does {{Authority control}} use Wikidata arbitrary access ? (I don't think so… but not sure). Nonetheless, This template already exists on 8 Wikisources (according to Wikidata maybe some are missing) and works fine. It should definitively be use on all Wikisources.
The template Author could maybe benefit from Wikidata arbitrary access (again not sure, user:Rical works on Modèle:Auteur on fr.ws but I can't understand his coding) (by the way, is it normal/a good idea to have this template on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5615832 mixed with the wikipedia infobox ?)
Cdlt, ~nicolas
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I'm wondering: In Wikisource, we use 3 different namespaces for a book + Index: for the Index page | + Page: for all the pages. | together, they make the "proofreading" version of the book. + ns:0 for the textual version.
As far as I know, there is no linking between all the pages that make a book. There is no "structure" that says "these are 320 Page pages linked to Index:BOOK.djvu".
Is that maybe something useful, that we want to address via Wikidata? Or was it the unused BookManager extension that Molly wrote two years ago? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BookManagerv2
Aubrey
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:51 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
It is true that {{Authority control}} does not need arbitrary item access, so we can assume that it is already mainstream, although it would be nice to bring it to all Wikisources
Regarding badges, I agree with Aubrey that we should reuse the current levels, not only for pages, but also for texts. From the usability point of view, I don't think that it is a good idea to use percentage numbers as badge labels, since the numbers are not descriptive, instead I would go for:
- incomplete text
- not proofread
- proofread
- validated
Remember that a page can have more than two badges, so for instance a book with some missing pages could have been "validated" and be an "incomplete text". That is probably fine.
Any other comments? Or shall we apply for the wikisource badges already?
Thanks Micru
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON < vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com> wrote:
2015-06-01 18:35 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 1 June 2015 at 16:47, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
{{Authority control}} would be a good use case - we already have plenty of experience - and reusable code - in multiple Wikipedias.
Happy to advise further if needed.
Does {{Authority control}} use Wikidata arbitrary access ? (I don't think so… but not sure). Nonetheless, This template already exists on 8 Wikisources (according to Wikidata maybe some are missing) and works fine. It should definitively be use on all Wikisources.
The template Author could maybe benefit from Wikidata arbitrary access (again not sure, user:Rical works on Modèle:Auteur on fr.ws but I can't understand his coding) (by the way, is it normal/a good idea to have this template on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5615832 mixed with the wikipedia infobox ?)
Cdlt, ~nicolas
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I think citation templates would be a good use case for arbitrary access on Wikisource. Is anyone working on this? d.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
I'm wondering: In Wikisource, we use 3 different namespaces for a book
- Index: for the Index page |
- Page: for all the pages. | together, they make the "proofreading"
version of the book.
- ns:0 for the textual version.
As far as I know, there is no linking between all the pages that make a book. There is no "structure" that says "these are 320 Page pages linked to Index:BOOK.djvu".
Is that maybe something useful, that we want to address via Wikidata? Or was it the unused BookManager extension that Molly wrote two years ago? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BookManagerv2
Aubrey
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:51 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
It is true that {{Authority control}} does not need arbitrary item access, so we can assume that it is already mainstream, although it would be nice to bring it to all Wikisources
Regarding badges, I agree with Aubrey that we should reuse the current levels, not only for pages, but also for texts. From the usability point of view, I don't think that it is a good idea to use percentage numbers as badge labels, since the numbers are not descriptive, instead I would go for:
- incomplete text
- not proofread
- proofread
- validated
Remember that a page can have more than two badges, so for instance a book with some missing pages could have been "validated" and be an "incomplete text". That is probably fine.
Any other comments? Or shall we apply for the wikisource badges already?
Thanks Micru
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com wrote:
2015-06-01 18:35 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 1 June 2015 at 16:47, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
{{Authority control}} would be a good use case - we already have plenty of experience - and reusable code - in multiple Wikipedias.
Happy to advise further if needed.
Does {{Authority control}} use Wikidata arbitrary access ? (I don't think so… but not sure). Nonetheless, This template already exists on 8 Wikisources (according to Wikidata maybe some are missing) and works fine. It should definitively be use on all Wikisources.
The template Author could maybe benefit from Wikidata arbitrary access (again not sure, user:Rical works on Modèle:Auteur on fr.ws but I can't understand his coding) (by the way, is it normal/a good idea to have this template on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5615832 mixed with the wikipedia infobox ?)
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Not right now, as far as I know.
Of course, two of the main use of arbitrary access are the possibility of retrieving * author metadata * book metadata
and use them where you need.
For example, Ricordisamoa is doing some experiment here: https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Utente:Ricordisamoa/sandbox
Pay attention to the dates, and then go in Edit mode: you'll see that he put a "Wikidata" element, and in that the value is the Wikidata item for Alessandro Manzoni. This retrieves the birth date and death date from the item.
We could rewrite all our Author modules in Lua for authors, and put all our authors in Wikidata. That is probably the first thing we should do.
Aubrey
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Mietchen < daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com> wrote:
I think citation templates would be a good use case for arbitrary access on Wikisource. Is anyone working on this? d.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
I'm wondering: In Wikisource, we use 3 different namespaces for a book
- Index: for the Index page |
- Page: for all the pages. | together, they make the "proofreading"
version of the book.
- ns:0 for the textual version.
As far as I know, there is no linking between all the pages that make a book. There is no "structure" that says "these are 320 Page pages linked to Index:BOOK.djvu".
Is that maybe something useful, that we want to address via Wikidata? Or was it the unused BookManager extension that Molly wrote two years
ago?
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BookManagerv2
Aubrey
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:51 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
It is true that {{Authority control}} does not need arbitrary item
access,
so we can assume that it is already mainstream, although it would be
nice to
bring it to all Wikisources
Regarding badges, I agree with Aubrey that we should reuse the current levels, not only for pages, but also for texts. From the usability
point of
view, I don't think that it is a good idea to use percentage numbers as badge labels, since the numbers are not descriptive, instead I would go
for:
- incomplete text
- not proofread
- proofread
- validated
Remember that a page can have more than two badges, so for instance a
book
with some missing pages could have been "validated" and be an
"incomplete
text". That is probably fine.
Any other comments? Or shall we apply for the wikisource badges already?
Thanks Micru
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com wrote:
2015-06-01 18:35 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 1 June 2015 at 16:47, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com
wrote:
Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody
doing
anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
{{Authority control}} would be a good use case - we already have plenty of experience - and reusable code - in multiple Wikipedias.
Happy to advise further if needed.
Does {{Authority control}} use Wikidata arbitrary access ? (I don't
think
so… but not sure). Nonetheless, This template already exists on 8 Wikisources (according
to
Wikidata maybe some are missing) and works fine. It should
definitively be
use on all Wikisources.
The template Author could maybe benefit from Wikidata arbitrary access (again not sure, user:Rical works on Modèle:Auteur on fr.ws but I
can't
understand his coding) (by the way, is it normal/a good idea to have this template on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5615832 mixed with the wikipedia
infobox ?)
Cdlt, ~nicolas
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We could rewrite all our Author modules in Lua for authors, and put all our authors in Wikidata. That is probably the first thing we should do.
On fr.ws whe have http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Pages_%C2%AB_Auteur_%C2%BB_sans... ; same cat on en.ws http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Author_pages_not_connected_to_Wikidat...
It is very useful to fill Wikidata !
Cdlt, ~nicolas
@Nicolas: that list is indeed useful! Was it created by bot? Can it be created for other Wikisources too?
@Aubrey: For now I would just focus on badges and on simple transclusion for the work from the connected wikidata item. Are you ok with the suggested badge names?
@Daniel: regarding the transclusion, do you refer to scary transclusion? It seems that parsoid doesn't support it yet https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T68710
Cheers, Micru
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON < vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com> wrote:
We could rewrite all our Author modules in Lua for authors, and put all
our authors in Wikidata. That is probably the first thing we should do.
On fr.ws whe have http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Pages_%C2%AB_Auteur_%C2%BB_sans... ; same cat on en.ws http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Author_pages_not_connected_to_Wikidat...
It is very useful to fill Wikidata !
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2015-06-02 14:03 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com:
@Nicolas: that list is indeed useful! Was it created by bot? Can it be created for other Wikisources too?
Nope, the category is automaticaly add through the Author template (with a small piece of code who looks like this : #if:{{#invoke:wikibase}} ). It's quite easy to add it in all wikisources with a Author template.
Cdlt, ~nicolas
I requested the minimum set of badges on the bug page: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97014
If we find out that we need more, they can be activated later on.
Cheers, Micru
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON <vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-06-02 14:03 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com:
@Nicolas: that list is indeed useful! Was it created by bot? Can it be created for other Wikisources too?
Nope, the category is automaticaly add through the Author template (with a small piece of code who looks like this : #if:{{#invoke:wikibase}} ). It's quite easy to add it in all wikisources with a Author template.
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There are numbers of badges that I would consider * Featured works * Proofread of the (timeperiod), for enWS it is one a month
Ultimately I am looking to have to have Wikidata to populate/build listings of authors, eg. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Authors-D and https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:British_Museum and https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:British_Museum (staff as authors bit)
Re states of works, Proofread, Validated (sure), though less need for not proofread, as I wonder whether it warrants noting. Definitely not percentages. Whether a work's validation is supported by a scanned text.
I know that enWS would like to be able to generate a list of works by month of validation by automated process, and you can do more decoratively with scan images, text, author name, blah blah though drawing information by arbitrary data pulls.
Regards, Billinghurst
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:47 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
And regarding badges, there is this ticket open: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97014
Which badges do we need in Wikidata? I was thinking of:
- Proofread
- Validated
- Export ready
Any thoughts on this? Can they be filled up by bot?
Thanks Micru
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Hi Billinghurst, Good idea about the "featured works", I will add it to the list. Regarding "proofread of the (timeperiod)" it seems something better managed locally in wiki, maybe with a category.
Listings of authors, institutions, publisers, etc is something that should be possible to do once the queries are available.
Should we add a badge for "Suporting scan available"? Or can we just assume that if the item has the property "scan file (Commons)(P996)" then it is a book with a scan?
Regards, - Micru
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:06 PM, billinghurst billinghurstwiki@gmail.com wrote:
There are numbers of badges that I would consider
- Featured works
- Proofread of the (timeperiod), for enWS it is one a month
Ultimately I am looking to have to have Wikidata to populate/build listings of authors, eg. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Authors-D and https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:British_Museum and https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:British_Museum (staff as authors bit)
Re states of works, Proofread, Validated (sure), though less need for not proofread, as I wonder whether it warrants noting. Definitely not percentages. Whether a work's validation is supported by a scanned text.
I know that enWS would like to be able to generate a list of works by month of validation by automated process, and you can do more decoratively with scan images, text, author name, blah blah though drawing information by arbitrary data pulls.
Regards, Billinghurst
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:47 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
And regarding badges, there is this ticket open: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97014
Which badges do we need in Wikidata? I was thinking of:
- Proofread
- Validated
- Export ready
Any thoughts on this? Can they be filled up by bot?
Thanks Micru
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Not certain about these as badges and would rather hasten slowly see what they look like, get feedback prior to launching further. I was more trying to identify some of the arbitrary components that you want to be able to pull.
In the end to identify when an Index: flicks to validated, that the system could be able to then identify that a work has now should be 'promoted' to complete for the main ns would be magic, and ultimately have the tweet go out through twitter of that news. From there that people can wander through related works in a list, etc. is value.
I need better thinking time, and inspiration time. Definitely that we may poke at the WMAU crowd if their conference gets off the ground in October.
Regards, Billinghurst
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:16 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Billinghurst, Good idea about the "featured works", I will add it to the list. Regarding "proofread of the (timeperiod)" it seems something better managed locally in wiki, maybe with a category.
Listings of authors, institutions, publisers, etc is something that should be possible to do once the queries are available.
Should we add a badge for "Suporting scan available"? Or can we just assume that if the item has the property "scan file (Commons)(P996)" then it is a book with a scan?
Regards,
- Micru
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:06 PM, billinghurst billinghurstwiki@gmail.com wrote:
There are numbers of badges that I would consider
- Featured works
- Proofread of the (timeperiod), for enWS it is one a month
Ultimately I am looking to have to have Wikidata to populate/build listings of authors, eg. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Authors-D and https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:British_Museum and https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:British_Museum (staff as authors bit)
Re states of works, Proofread, Validated (sure), though less need for not proofread, as I wonder whether it warrants noting. Definitely not percentages. Whether a work's validation is supported by a scanned text.
I know that enWS would like to be able to generate a list of works by month of validation by automated process, and you can do more decoratively with scan images, text, author name, blah blah though drawing information by arbitrary data pulls.
Regards, Billinghurst
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:47 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Arbitrary access has been enabled in all Wikisources, is anybody doing anything with it that can be replicated in all Wikisources?
And regarding badges, there is this ticket open: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97014
Which badges do we need in Wikidata? I was thinking of:
- Proofread
- Validated
- Export ready
Any thoughts on this? Can they be filled up by bot?
Thanks Micru
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