Yeah, it's exactly like a "manual match-and-split" (or at least, I'm
hoping it can be).
So yes, the first step is to make sure that the WD item has the two
properties: one for PG ID, and one for Wikisource Index Page. Then the
tool will show a link to 'transfer' the PG book to WS.
The interface has the full PG text, that you manually select the current
page from. Click the button to transfer this to the WS text-box, clean
it up a bit (adding links, templates, etc.), and then save it to WS.
I'm making a little screencast of how it works; will send the link for
that to this list soon.
—Sam
On 14/10/16 07:52, Alex Brollo wrote:
Back to the tool, is there some more doc to understand
- step by step
- how to run it? I imagine, that there's the need of a Gutemberg text
and of a wikisource Index page coming from the same edition used by
Gutemberg text; then the tool allows something like a "manual match
and split". But perhaps I didn't understand anything.... I need to see
the tool at work to understand it! :-(
At its beginning, it.source uploaded many books from an Italian
project, LiberLiber, somehow similar to Project Gutemberg, and we
often convert those ns0-only texts into proofread ones by various
tricks; so I'd like to learn anything from Sam's tool.
Alex
2016-10-14 12:55 GMT+02:00 Anika Born <WikiAnika(a)wikipedia.de
<mailto:WikiAnika@wikipedia.de>>:
Hy Alex,
My comment was not about spending some time on a PG-Projekt or not
spending any time at all.
The point/question (when it comes to de-WS) is a different one:
(A) to spend some of our valuable contributions into a project
that already is freely available (in another format) or spend this
time in a (related) project that is NOT already freely available?
(and we do have a lot of them)
// note, it is not about not spending any time in proofreading
or the Wikisourceproject... it is about finding valuable
projects/texts to invest our time...
+ (B) to spend this time in a project, that may cost us the
findability of the whole wikisource-project (and all other texts
on wikisource) because Google/Bing/others do tag us as
fork/reuser/copy of ... (as happened in the past, at least with
de, when we had some texts of the commercial
http://gutenberg.spiegel.de/ that is also supported by ABBY with a
free softwarelizense)
Anika
2016-10-14 10:13 GMT+02:00 Alex Brollo <alex.brollo(a)gmail.com
<mailto:alex.brollo@gmail.com>>:
I'm too very interested both into the idea and into its
technical implementation, but I need some more doc for dummies
to understand it fully :-(
About importing into wikisource texts alreary proofread: a
text into wikisource is different from a similar text into
another web site, since it is "a node into wiki network", and
this goal deserves IMHO some pain to proofread (and re-format)
it again, adding lots of wiki cross links.
Alex
2016-10-14 8:27 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni
<zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com <mailto:zanni.andrea84@gmail.com>>:
I think the idea is good,
but I would like to try that in my wikisource:
could you manage to take also the few italian books that
PG has?
Thanks!
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Anika Born
<WikiAnika(a)wikipedia.de <mailto:WikiAnika@wikipedia.de>>
wrote:
corr1: [...] does not ha*ve*/show the scans, [...]
Anika
2016-10-14 8:18 GMT+02:00 Anika Born
<WikiAnika(a)wikipedia.de <mailto:WikiAnika@wikipedia.de>>:
Hy Sam,
would be good, cause PG does not hat/show the scans,
But
as I remember there was/is a policy at de.ws
<http://de.ws> to not use texts from other
projects (say: if there is text A in PG, there
won't be a similar text A in de.WS),
cause at the time de.WS did use PG-texts... Google
said WS is a mirror of PG and all other (not
PG)-texts were left out in Google-Search-Results
as well.... The (small) visibility of WS got lost
completely... That is the reason, why there are no
new projects on de-WS about texts that are
available in a (nearly) similar project
(besides the effort: why spending so much time on
a text that already is avilable? - you'd have to
proofread ist at least two times)
But that is this special German-thing.....
What do the others think about it?
Anika
2016-10-14 3:20 GMT+02:00 Sam Wilson
<sam(a)samwilson.id.au <mailto:sam@samwilson.id.au>>:
Hi all,
I've been tinkering with an idea I've had for
importing Project Gutenberg books into
Wikisource:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/pg2ws/
<http://tools.wmflabs.org/pg2ws/>
The idea is that, if Wikidata makes a link
between a PG ID number and a Wikisource Index
page, then we can go through that Index page
one page at a time, and copy the page's text
from the PG book to the WS page.
The interface so far isn't very brilliant, but
I'm just trying to figure out if this is
worthwhile or not. Basically, it's a matter of
selecting the right chunk of text in the
right-most text box (the full PG text) and
hitting the button to move it left into the
centre box. Then cleaning it up (manually and
with the magic cleaning button) to make it
match the image, and then uploading it to
Wikisource.
It's a bad tool though, because it doesn't
handle the running header, and the copy-across
button doesn't do nice things with {{hws}}
etc. — not to mention all the other things it
doesn't do.
Anyway, just thought I'd mention it. :-)
Anyone think this is an avenue worth
exploring? Certainly I'd love to be able to
say we've got everything PG has /and more/!
—Sam
PS changes made by this tool are all tagged as
"OAuth CID: 638" —
https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfi…
<https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfilter=OAuth+CID%3A+638>
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