Hi all,
It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development project, developed at IIT Kharagpur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata.
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website. https://ndl.iitkgp.ac.in/ - building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites. - importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata and Wikisource. - identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/ an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi, where WMF was a technical partner.
Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant mailing lists.
Regards, Jayanta and Bodhisattwa CIS-A2K
Hi,
That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it. I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages!
Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help?
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development project, developed at IIT Kharagpur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata.
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource
metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata
and Wikisource.
- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other
Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/ an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi, where WMF was a technical partner.
Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant mailing lists.
Regards, Jayanta and Bodhisattwa CIS-A2K _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
I'm just looking at them.
They have restriction for non-commercial use of their content in their ToU. So uploading anything to Commons without their explicit permission may be against their ToU (even if consistent with copyright law). Do we care?
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 11:18, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:
Hi,
That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it. I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages!
Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help?
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal <bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com mailto:bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all, It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India> (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development> project, developed at IIT Kharagpur <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur> which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata. Through this understanding, we will work together on: * integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website. <https://ndl.iitkgp.ac.in/> * building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites. * importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata and Wikisource. * identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks. After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, <http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/> an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi>, where WMF was a technical partner. Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant mailing lists. Regards, Jayanta and Bodhisattwa CIS-A2K _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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Hi Ankry,
As part of the understanding, NDLI is giving permission to use their contents to be used on Wikimedia sites as needed. Also, anything not compatible with Wikimedia sites and licensing will not be uploaded in any way.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 19:55, Ankry ankry.wiki@onet.pl wrote:
I'm just looking at them.
They have restriction for non-commercial use of their content in their ToU. So uploading anything to Commons without their explicit permission may be against their ToU (even if consistent with copyright law). Do we care?
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 11:18, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:
Hi,
That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it. I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages!
Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help?
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development project, developed at IIT Kharagpur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata.
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource
metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata
and Wikisource.
- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other
Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/ an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi, where WMF was a technical partner.
Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant mailing lists.
Regards, Jayanta and Bodhisattwa CIS-A2K _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 20:03 Bodhisattwa Mandal bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ankry,
As part of the understanding, NDLI is giving permission to use their contents to be used on Wikimedia sites as needed.
This is of course not enough. Permission must be given to the entire world, not to Wikimedia sites only. I know you know this, but it is important NDLI understand this, too.
A.
Also, anything not compatible with Wikimedia sites and licensing will not
be uploaded in any way.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 19:55, Ankry ankry.wiki@onet.pl wrote:
I'm just looking at them.
They have restriction for non-commercial use of their content in their ToU. So uploading anything to Commons without their explicit permission may be against their ToU (even if consistent with copyright law). Do we care?
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 11:18, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:
Hi,
That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it. I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages!
Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help?
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development project, developed at IIT Kharagpur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata.
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource
metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata
and Wikisource.
- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other
Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/ an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi, where WMF was a technical partner.
Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant mailing lists.
Regards, Jayanta and Bodhisattwa CIS-A2K _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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I don't think there is a problem here.
From the copyright point of view, the content we want to copy from them is PD (expired copyright).
The problem was their ToU that did not allow commercial republishing.
If we republished without permission, then they would accuse us a violation of ToU and eg. suspend users' accounts. I doubt they would be able to sue a republisher for anything as they are not the copyright holder.
Once we get their permission to publish in Wikimedia, we can publish there under the correct copyright status (PD) and anybody can download therefrom for any purpose. Reusers are not bound by their ToU. The permission is to be not bound by their ToU limits, and is unrelated to copyright.
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 20:12, Asaf Bartov wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 20:03 Bodhisattwa Mandal <bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com mailto:bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ankry, As part of the understanding, NDLI is giving permission to use their contents to be used on Wikimedia sites as needed.This is of course not enough. Permission must be given to the entire world, not to Wikimedia sites only. I know you know this, but it is important NDLI understand this, too.
A.
Also, anything not compatible with Wikimedia sites and licensing will not be uploaded in any way. Regards, Bodhisattwa On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 19:55, Ankry <ankry.wiki@onet.pl <mailto:ankry.wiki@onet.pl>> wrote: I'm just looking at them. They have restriction for non-commercial use of their content in their ToU. So uploading anything to Commons without their explicit permission may be against their ToU (even if consistent with copyright law). Do we care? Ankry On 14.03.2020 11:18, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:Hi, That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it. I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages! Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help? Cheers, ~nicolas Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal <bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com <mailto:bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com>> a écrit : Hi all, It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India> (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development> project, developed at IIT Kharagpur <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur> which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata. Through this understanding, we will work together on: * integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website. <https://ndl.iitkgp.ac.in/> * building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites. * importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata and Wikisource. * identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks. After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, <http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/> an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi>, where WMF was a technical partner. Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant mailing lists. Regards, Jayanta and Bodhisattwa CIS-A2K _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l_______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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Yes. I referred to "their content" in Bodhisattwa's statement. PD metadata is not "their content", really.
A.
Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 9:50 PM Ankry ankry.wiki@onet.pl wrote:
I don't think there is a problem here.
From the copyright point of view, the content we want to copy from them is PD (expired copyright).
The problem was their ToU that did not allow commercial republishing.
If we republished without permission, then they would accuse us a violation of ToU and eg. suspend users' accounts. I doubt they would be able to sue a republisher for anything as they are not the copyright holder.
Once we get their permission to publish in Wikimedia, we can publish there under the correct copyright status (PD) and anybody can download therefrom for any purpose. Reusers are not bound by their ToU. The permission is to be not bound by their ToU limits, and is unrelated to copyright.
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 20:12, Asaf Bartov wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 20:03 Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ankry,
As part of the understanding, NDLI is giving permission to use their contents to be used on Wikimedia sites as needed.
This is of course not enough. Permission must be given to the entire world, not to Wikimedia sites only. I know you know this, but it is important NDLI understand this, too.
A.
Also, anything not compatible with Wikimedia sites and licensing will not
be uploaded in any way.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 19:55, Ankry ankry.wiki@onet.pl wrote:
I'm just looking at them.
They have restriction for non-commercial use of their content in their ToU. So uploading anything to Commons without their explicit permission may be against their ToU (even if consistent with copyright law). Do we care?
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 11:18, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:
Hi,
That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it. I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages!
Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help?
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development project, developed at IIT Kharagpur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata.
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to
crowdsource metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to
Wikidata and Wikisource.
- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other
Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/ an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi, where WMF was a technical partner.
Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant mailing lists.
Regards, Jayanta and Bodhisattwa CIS-A2K _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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We have had great problem with earlier digital library projects which government undertook. 36 scan centers/hubs millions of books without copyright verification (note: many won’t go through proper copyright process in India) and the entire project was shutdown making the works inaccessible to public. Virtual library http://www.nvli.in/ has been down after burning millions in meetings. http://bharatavani.in/ Which was supposed to be the multilingual digital library for 100+ Indian language only hosts copyrighted content and multilevel locked in process to download and use content - even for public/research purposes. It’s very much needed to see if they really mark the content under cc-by-sa. Hope they really understand this.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 2:43 AM Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Yes. I referred to "their content" in Bodhisattwa's statement. PD metadata is not "their content", really.
A.
Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 9:50 PM Ankry ankry.wiki@onet.pl wrote:
I don't think there is a problem here.
From the copyright point of view, the content we want to copy from them is PD (expired copyright).
The problem was their ToU that did not allow commercial republishing.
If we republished without permission, then they would accuse us a violation of ToU and eg. suspend users' accounts. I doubt they would be able to sue a republisher for anything as they are not the copyright holder.
Once we get their permission to publish in Wikimedia, we can publish there under the correct copyright status (PD) and anybody can download therefrom for any purpose. Reusers are not bound by their ToU. The permission is to be not bound by their ToU limits, and is unrelated to copyright.
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 20:12, Asaf Bartov wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 20:03 Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ankry,
As part of the understanding, NDLI is giving permission to use their contents to be used on Wikimedia sites as needed.
This is of course not enough. Permission must be given to the entire world, not to Wikimedia sites only. I know you know this, but it is important NDLI understand this, too.
A.
Also, anything not compatible with Wikimedia sites and licensing will not
be uploaded in any way.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 19:55, Ankry ankry.wiki@onet.pl wrote:
I'm just looking at them.
They have restriction for non-commercial use of their content in their ToU. So uploading anything to Commons without their explicit permission may be against their ToU (even if consistent with copyright law). Do we care?
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 11:18, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:
Hi,
That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it. I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages!
Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help?
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development project, developed at IIT Kharagpur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata.
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to
crowdsource metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to
Wikidata and Wikisource.
- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around
other Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/ an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi, where WMF was a technical partner.
Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant mailing lists.
Regards, Jayanta and Bodhisattwa CIS-A2K _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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Hi Om,
Thanks for your concern. Yes, the problem of copyright with different Indian digital libraries collection is quite well known. The most famous example is the Digital Library of India, which was closed down due to copyright infringement.
The difference between NDLI and other Indian digital libraries is that NDLI primarily acts as a portal and link for different digital libraries. Sometimes, materials which are not otherwise accessible because of different restrictions in different digital libraries can be accessed when we login through NDLI. This is because specific contracts are signed between NDLI and those digital libraries.
So, unlike other digital libraries, they do not host the copyrighted material on their website. They just link to other websites, from where you can get the content.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020, 06:35 omshivaprakash@gmail.com, < omshivaprakash@gmail.com> wrote:
We have had great problem with earlier digital library projects which government undertook. 36 scan centers/hubs millions of books without copyright verification (note: many won’t go through proper copyright process in India) and the entire project was shutdown making the works inaccessible to public. Virtual library http://www.nvli.in/ has been down after burning millions in meetings. http://bharatavani.in/ Which was supposed to be the multilingual digital library for 100+ Indian language only hosts copyrighted content and multilevel locked in process to download and use content - even for public/research purposes. It’s very much needed to see if they really mark the content under cc-by-sa. Hope they really understand this.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 2:43 AM Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Yes. I referred to "their content" in Bodhisattwa's statement. PD metadata is not "their content", really.
A.
Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 9:50 PM Ankry ankry.wiki@onet.pl wrote:
I don't think there is a problem here.
From the copyright point of view, the content we want to copy from them is PD (expired copyright).
The problem was their ToU that did not allow commercial republishing.
If we republished without permission, then they would accuse us a violation of ToU and eg. suspend users' accounts. I doubt they would be able to sue a republisher for anything as they are not the copyright holder.
Once we get their permission to publish in Wikimedia, we can publish there under the correct copyright status (PD) and anybody can download therefrom for any purpose. Reusers are not bound by their ToU. The permission is to be not bound by their ToU limits, and is unrelated to copyright.
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 20:12, Asaf Bartov wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 20:03 Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ankry,
As part of the understanding, NDLI is giving permission to use their contents to be used on Wikimedia sites as needed.
This is of course not enough. Permission must be given to the entire world, not to Wikimedia sites only. I know you know this, but it is important NDLI understand this, too.
A.
Also, anything not compatible with Wikimedia sites and licensing will
not be uploaded in any way.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 19:55, Ankry ankry.wiki@onet.pl wrote:
I'm just looking at them.
They have restriction for non-commercial use of their content in their ToU. So uploading anything to Commons without their explicit permission may be against their ToU (even if consistent with copyright law). Do we care?
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 11:18, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:
Hi,
That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it. I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages!
Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help?
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development project, developed at IIT Kharagpur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata.
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to
crowdsource metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to
Wikidata and Wikisource.
- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around
other Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/ an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi, where WMF was a technical partner.
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Hi Asaf,
We acknowledge your concern.
When we had meetings with NDLI, we specifically discussed about "their contents" to be published under CC-BY-SA, if we are going to include them on Wikimedia Commons and they primarily agreed on that. They have very good knowledge about different Creative Commons license terms and they are one of the advocates of RightsStatements license, so it was easier to talk about these areas with them.
I hope, we can sort this issue out. Let's see.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020, 02:43 Asaf Bartov, abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Yes. I referred to "their content" in Bodhisattwa's statement. PD metadata is not "their content", really.
A.
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 9:50 PM Ankry ankry.wiki@onet.pl wrote:
I don't think there is a problem here.
From the copyright point of view, the content we want to copy from them is PD (expired copyright).
The problem was their ToU that did not allow commercial republishing.
If we republished without permission, then they would accuse us a violation of ToU and eg. suspend users' accounts. I doubt they would be able to sue a republisher for anything as they are not the copyright holder.
Once we get their permission to publish in Wikimedia, we can publish there under the correct copyright status (PD) and anybody can download therefrom for any purpose. Reusers are not bound by their ToU. The permission is to be not bound by their ToU limits, and is unrelated to copyright.
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 20:12, Asaf Bartov wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 20:03 Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ankry,
As part of the understanding, NDLI is giving permission to use their contents to be used on Wikimedia sites as needed.
This is of course not enough. Permission must be given to the entire world, not to Wikimedia sites only. I know you know this, but it is important NDLI understand this, too.
A.
Also, anything not compatible with Wikimedia sites and licensing will not
be uploaded in any way.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 19:55, Ankry ankry.wiki@onet.pl wrote:
I'm just looking at them.
They have restriction for non-commercial use of their content in their ToU. So uploading anything to Commons without their explicit permission may be against their ToU (even if consistent with copyright law). Do we care?
Ankry
On 14.03.2020 11:18, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:
Hi,
That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it. I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages!
Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help?
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development project, developed at IIT Kharagpur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata.
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to
crowdsource metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to
Wikidata and Wikisource.
- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around
other Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/ an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi, where WMF was a technical partner.
Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant mailing lists.
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Hi Nicolas,
Thanks for your reply and interest in the partnership.
It was discussed during the Delhi meeting that as a first step, NDLI will come up with a unique authority control for the authors listed in their website and we will match them with corresponding Wikidata items, thus starting to link Wikidata content with NDLI website. The process was expected to initiate from January, but due to some other other commitments from NDLI as a government agency, it has not been started yet.
As a major part of this partnership will largely depend on the data model stated in Wikidata WikiProject Books https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books, we need works and their editions on different Wikisource projects properly linked with Wikidata exactly following the data model. For Indian language Wikisources, I can say, the linkages are still very low. It would be great, if we can collaboratively engage as many as Wikisource communities as possible to start linking their contents on Wikidata. We definitely need suggestions and all kinds of help there organizing this.
We appreciate if highly experienced community members like you share inputs and insight w.r.t. this collaboration. Please feel free to do so pro-actively at any time.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020, 15:49 Nicolas VIGNERON, vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it. I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages!
Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help?
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that National Digital Library of India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Digital_Library_of_India (NDLI), Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of Human Resource Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Human_Resource_Development project, developed at IIT Kharagpur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kharagpur which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and literature metadata.
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource
metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata
and Wikisource.
- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other
Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for Digital Library Design 2019, http://kedl2019.ndl.gov.in/ an international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT Delhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi, where WMF was a technical partner.
Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant mailing lists.
Regards, Jayanta and Bodhisattwa CIS-A2K _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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Thank you for that,
I have checked some languages but it seems that this digital library have books of some languages completely taken from Project Gutenberg (http://www.gutenberg.org) or from World Ebook Library (http://www.worldebooklibrary.org/) and they have their own licenses.
It's not clear what is the library for whom the NDLI owns the copyrights and they can donate.
Kind regards
On 14/03/2020 09:38, Bodhisattwa Mandal wrote:
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website. <https://ndl.iitkgp.ac.in/> - building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites. - importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata and Wikisource. - identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
Hi Ilario,
If you check this link https://ndl.iitkgp.ac.in/faq, you can find it written at the Terms and Conditions section - *The actual contents are subject to the copyright laws of the respective data providers as the authors or publishers retain copyright to these works which are used by NDL India with permission.*
It is the practice for any government agency like NDLI to sign a MoU or other form of contracts with other organizations, before engaging with them in any way. Although I can't speak for NDLI, but it is extremely likely that they have partnered with Worldebooklibrary and others officially.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 23:38, Ilario valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you for that,
I have checked some languages but it seems that this digital library have books of some languages completely taken from Project Gutenberg (http://www.gutenberg.org) or from World Ebook Library (http://www.worldebooklibrary.org/) and they have their own licenses.
It's not clear what is the library for whom the NDLI owns the copyrights and they can donate.
Kind regards
On 14/03/2020 09:38, Bodhisattwa Mandal wrote:
Through this understanding, we will work together on:
- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website. <https://ndl.iitkgp.ac.in/> - building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisourcewebsites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidataand
Wikisource. - identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.-- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Wikipedia: Ilario Skype: valdelli Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch
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