Hi everyone.
Thanks to Samwilson, we have know a pre-alpha tool that help us retrieve metadata for books in Wikisource: https://tools.wmflabs.org/ws-search/?title=%25&author=&lang=it&o...
it's in very early stage so please be kind and generous: (and also, if you can, help :-)
The tool will hopefully help each community in deal with Wikidata import.
BUT: today a discovered, with a bit of horror, that more than one year ago a "rogue" wikidata editor imported thousands of pages (without properties!) from Wikisources without even noticing the communities...
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer#wikisource_mass_import https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer#Stop_creating_items
I revived the last thread (second link) because I think this was not helpful to us as communities. I don't think we can't fix it (there is also the chance that he kind of helped us, if we now use the right tools): but, still, I wanted to express my frustration in seeing this kind of action.
I wonder how the French Wikisource community solved it, for example.
Andrea
Hallo Andrea,
just saw https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer#Wikispecies
maybe there is a bigger problem with that user? --> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard
Anika
2016-08-03 12:11 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com:
Hi everyone.
Thanks to Samwilson, we have know a pre-alpha tool that help us retrieve metadata for books in Wikisource:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/ws-search/?title=%25&author=&lang=it&o...
it's in very early stage so please be kind and generous: (and also, if you can, help :-)
The tool will hopefully help each community in deal with Wikidata import.
BUT: today a discovered, with a bit of horror, that more than one year ago a "rogue" wikidata editor imported thousands of pages (without properties!) from Wikisources without even noticing the communities...
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer#wikisource_mass_import https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer#Stop_creating_items
I revived the last thread (second link) because I think this was not helpful to us as communities. I don't think we can't fix it (there is also the chance that he kind of helped us, if we now use the right tools): but, still, I wanted to express my frustration in seeing this kind of action.
I wonder how the French Wikisource community solved it, for example.
Andrea
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I wonder how the French Wikisource community solved it, for example.
The easy way to solve it is probably before importing data related to a Wikisource page check if an item already exists for this page (it's an easy API call). Even if this raw import would have not been done, we would have had to do it anyway, because of hand created items. Most bots are used to do that before doing any item creation.
Cheers,
Thomas
Le 3 août 2016 à 21:05, Anika Born WikiAnika@wikipedia.de a écrit :
Hallo Andrea,
just saw https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer#Wikispecies
maybe there is a bigger problem with that user? --> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard
Anika
2016-08-03 12:11 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com: Hi everyone.
Thanks to Samwilson, we have know a pre-alpha tool that help us retrieve metadata for books in Wikisource: https://tools.wmflabs.org/ws-search/?title=%25&author=&lang=it&o...
it's in very early stage so please be kind and generous: (and also, if you can, help :-)
The tool will hopefully help each community in deal with Wikidata import.
BUT: today a discovered, with a bit of horror, that more than one year ago a "rogue" wikidata editor imported thousands of pages (without properties!) from Wikisources without even noticing the communities...
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer#wikisource_mass_import https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer#Stop_creating_items
I revived the last thread (second link) because I think this was not helpful to us as communities. I don't think we can't fix it (there is also the chance that he kind of helped us, if we now use the right tools): but, still, I wanted to express my frustration in seeing this kind of action.
I wonder how the French Wikisource community solved it, for example.
Andrea
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2016, at 03:44 AM, Thomas Tanon wrote:
I wonder how the French Wikisource community solved it, for example.
The easy way to solve it is probably before importing data related to a Wikisource page check if an item already exists for this page (it's an easy API call). Even if this raw import would have not been done, we would have had to do it anyway, because of hand created items. Most bots are used to do that before doing any item creation.
Yeah, this is very true. And not even just checking for the existence of an Item, a bot will have to check each statement it adds too. There is the matter of a reverse-check also, of making sure that everything that *does* have an Item at WD is supposed to.
On a related note, does anyone know if this new Librarybase thing is going to be help to Wikisources? http://librarybase.wmflabs.org/wiki/Librarybase:Home Certainly, where possible, items there should point to Wikisources! :-) Which will be cool.
—Sam
At the moment, Sam, librarybase is a project that can be anything we want :-)
James Hare set it up because he wanted a place where to store bibliographic informations, but it's up to the community what to do with it.
I personally think that we should use Wikidata as much as possible, and when we can't we could turn to librarybase for help. So, I'm currently sticking with WD for the time being :-)
Andrea
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 6:55 AM, Sam Wilson sam@samwilson.id.au wrote:
On Thu, 4 Aug 2016, at 03:44 AM, Thomas Tanon wrote:
I wonder how the French Wikisource community solved it, for example.
The easy way to solve it is probably before importing data related to a Wikisource page check if an item already exists for this page (it's an easy API call). Even if this raw import would have not been done, we would have had to do it anyway, because of hand created items. Most bots are used to do that before doing any item creation.
Yeah, this is very true. And not even just checking for the existence of an Item, a bot will have to check each statement it adds too. There is the matter of a reverse-check also, of making sure that everything that *does* have an Item at WD is supposed to.
On a related note, does anyone know if this new Librarybase thing is going to be help to Wikisources? http://librarybase.wmflabs.org/wiki/Librarybase:Home Certainly, where possible, items there should point to Wikisources! :-) Which will be cool.
—Sam
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2016-08-03 22:02 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
Anika Born, 03/08/2016 21:05:
maybe there is a bigger problem with that user?
He just does a lot, let's not jump to conclusions.
Nemo
just saw some other (not helpful) users on that talk-page, who also got me
very frustrated with wikidata.
(I couldn't work on statements to items, cause I had to explane myselfe (notwithstanding existing project pages for documentation) multiple times and every one know better how to do it correctly on Wikidata - contradicting themselves and each other, very frustrating and very, very time consuming. Back then Succu, the one pointing out the species-problem, was helpful and the only one really working on the problem we had. )
Maybe that was why...
Anika
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