Sorry if my answer is off-topic but if metadata are stored in WIkidata, is it really
needed to create index pages to store the same data as Wikidata?
As I see the things, we'll have bibliographical metadata on Wikidata (title, author,
date of publication...) and data related to proofreading (proofreading level, table of
content...) on the Index: pages. More, as the Proofread Page extension considers that an
Index page is about a scan (ie one or more files) I'm not sure that Index pages about
books without scan will be managed well by the extension.
{{header|index name}} is already done, for books with scan, by the Proofread Page
extension with the header=1 feature. In fr Wikisource, we already use a Lua module to
manage the Mediawiki:Proofreadpage_header_template template used by the header=1 feature.
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Module:Header_template This template outputs automatically
metadata and navigation from the index page TOC (but it allows also to override data).
Tpt
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:33:39 +0200
From: alex.brollo(a)gmail.com
To: wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and "Index:"
pages
I'm going to test what you are telling in a real Lua script; as you know, Lua can read
the code of any page with one "expensive" server function only, so that a simple
{{header|index name}} ns0 template call could read all the wiki code from index page,
parse it, extract all its data content, and use it to build any html you like. No other
field is needed. In it.wikisource we are testing something more complex, since we are
exporting Index data into a local Lua data module, to be loaded with a mw.loadData
function that is not listed as "server-expensive"; but I presume that wiki
servers would not be overloaded by one server expensive call....
If Im not going wrong, such a script could be written tomorrow by a good Lua
programmer.... I'll need some more time as a beginner. I'll test a
"MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_template" Lua loader & parser working into
ns0, just to see if all runs as I guess, then I'll tell you in this thread. In which
wikisource project do you work usually?
Alex
2013/6/11 David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com>
No, it won't be stored in Wikisource, but still there is the need to present the
information in a consistent manner.
If you want to display the information on ns0, you will end up needing the same fields
that the "Index:" page is using now.
So why not to have the same solution for both?
It could also be a template with a reduced set of fields that expands to show
"Template:Book" with linked data from Wikidata, no matter if they have
supporting scans or not.
Micru
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Alex Brollo <alex.brollo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Simply there is no need to store data twice or more, if they are dinamically imported from
wikidata. Such data would be simply generated by a normal template. Something similar to
Commons media sharing: most wikipedians but beginners know that when you want to edit a
shared media file, you must do you edit in Commons; there's no need to host a media
file locally.
So, IMHO a good Lua wikidata-reading library could avoid at all to store data in
wikisource, or wikipedia, or Commons.
Alex
2013/6/10 David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com>
@Alex: but what do you think of storing the source information in "Index:" pages
for all works stored in Wikisource, even if they don't have a supporting scan?
That was the original question :)
About your proposed library, it would be more useful if it could modify data in Wikidata,
not only import it. Besides, if the Wikidata client is installed in Wikisource, the
inclusion syntax already takes care of displaying data...
Micru
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Alex Brollo <alex.brollo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see the need to change deeply Index/ns0 relationship, while I appreciate the
idea "promote coherence reducing redundance" (many years ago I painfully used
dBase III - dBase IV and I learned that principle by "try and learn").
Here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Scribunto/Brainstorming a brief message
about relationship among wikidata, commons, wikisource and any other project. Don't
follow the link, it's so short that I copy it here (but if you like it, comment it
there):
Scribunto-Lua and WikidataI'd like a library to get Wikidata content; it would be a
good idea IMHO to access to Wikidata data in plain form, just as such data would be Lua
tables/variables. --Alex brollo (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
If such a Lua library could be built, to import data from wikidata would be as simple, as
writing a template, and data will be self-aligned.
Alex
2013/6/10 Aarti K. Dwivedi <ellydwivedi2093(a)gmail.com>
Hi,
There was a thread some time ago where there were talks of having books which were
born digital. These pages wouldn't have scans.
What the 'Index' page would have in these cases is something I am not very sure
about.
Cheers,Rtdwivedi
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
With the deployment of Wikidata it is a good moment to re-examine what "Index"
pages are and what should be their function.
The most direct transition to a Wikidata-supported Wikisource could be something like
this:
https://sites.google.com/site/dacuetu/BookData.pdf
That would allow:
- to share data book data between Commons, Wikisource and Wikipedia
- to update it, when any of the sites has been updated
- to facilitate better search functions (like searches by author, or topic, limiting the
date range or the language)
That would only apply to those texts which use a "Index:" page, so now the
question is, what do we do with books that do not have supporting scans (and therefore no
index page)?
Some possible options:
a) ignore pages without sources and focus only on works with supporting scans
b) use ns0 pages also as data containers (instead of, or in addition to "Index"
pages)
c) create "Index:" pages for all works, with or without scans. Use that instead
of "Template:Textinfo"
Personally I prefer "option c", even if it would require to rename
"Index:" to "Source:" to make more clear what are those pages, however
I would like to hear the opinion of other wikisourcerors about this.
Cheers,
Micru
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