Hi y'all,
As I realized during Wikidata, the user group is *very* late for the 2022
report.
I started a report here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/2022_Report
but I was a bit away in 2022 (because of my residency) so I may have missed
important events.
If so, please tell me or directly add them to the report.
The goal is to send the report before the end of August.
PS: I'm also working on a report for what happened at Wikimania (and there
is a lot to say ;) ).
Cheers,
Nicolas
Hello all,
Apologies for cross-posting.
For those who have not noticed till now, Google is not indexing any
Wikisource language editions for the last couple of years which practically
means that any Wikisource contents in any languages, which are being
created in these years, are not searchable on Google and hence largely
remain invisible on the web.
This is an extremely demotivating and frustrating situation for the
existing Wikisource volunteers to witness, draining away all of our past
and current efforts to bring and retain viewers, readers, GLAM partners and
any potential new editors. We already have a very low awareness and
visibility about Wikisource among general internet users due to lack of
organized support in these years but the invisibility on Google search
engine could become the last nail in our coffin, unless it is fixed soon.
There is a phabricator ticket raised by Darwinius back in December 2022 -
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607.
Can't this issue be put into priority by sys admins and WMF to work upon?
Wikisource is still a sister project of Wikimedia and it needs some very
basic care, after all.
Regards,
Bodhisattwa
(Bengali Wikisource volunteer)
>
> Has anyone tried telling the Google Search Console to index all the
> Wikisource language domains? Presumably a Foundation sysadmin would
> need to add the ownership verification tokens to do so:
> https://search.google.com/search-console/welcome
This has already been done for a while.
> for what I've read, it suffices to generate a sitemap file with MediaWiki
> and how to submit it to Google. There is a script for
> that: generateSitemap.php.
>
Once done, the sitemap has to be updated regularly in order to include the
> new pages.
I did look into this, but it seems like we do not generate sitemaps for any
sites right now ? The closest I got was
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198965 which mentions that we did
generate them around 2018 and hosted them on sitemaps.wikimedia.org,
however they were recently (in Jun 2023) deleted due to the sitemaps being
out of date and not helping our SEO rankings for Wikipedia.
Also while digging this up right now, I came across
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332101#8898869 which assumes that Google
uses a RCFeed/EventStreams API provided by the Wikimedia Foundation to
index pages. Is this true in the case of Wikisource, could it be possible
that they (Google) might not be using this for Wikisource and/or Wikisource
pages are getting filtered out (on Wikimedia Foundation's end) due to some
configuration error ?
Regards,
Sohom Datta
---
Open-source contributor @Wikimedia, @Chromium
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:59 PM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607#8846296 and onwards
>
> Am Di., 1. Aug. 2023 um 17:27 Uhr schrieb Lauren Worden <
> laurenworden89(a)gmail.com>:
>
>> Has anyone tried telling the Google Search Console to index all the
>> Wikisource language domains? Presumably a Foundation sysadmin would
>> need to add the ownership verification tokens to do so:
>> https://search.google.com/search-console/welcome
>>
>> -LW
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 7:53 AM Dušan Kreheľ <dusankrehel(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hm.
>> >
>> > Page: La akonca (1888) (be.wikisource.org)
>> > Created day with the last modification: 17:26, 7 July 2023 CEST
>> > Indexed by Google: 7. júl 2023 18:21:14 UTC
>> >
>> > Not indexed: https://be.wikisource.org/wiki/Alkahol_(1913)
>> >
>> >
>> > 2023-08-01 8:47 GMT+02:00, Bodhisattwa <bodhisattwa.rgkmc(a)gmail.com>:
>> > > Hello all,
>> > >
>> > > Apologies for cross-posting.
>> > >
>> > > For those who have not noticed till now, Google is not indexing any
>> > > Wikisource language editions for the last couple of years which
>> practically
>> > > means that any Wikisource contents in any languages, which are being
>> > > created in these years, are not searchable on Google and hence largely
>> > > remain invisible on the web.
>> > >
>> > > This is an extremely demotivating and frustrating situation for the
>> > > existing Wikisource volunteers to witness, draining away all of our
>> past
>> > > and current efforts to bring and retain viewers, readers, GLAM
>> partners and
>> > > any potential new editors. We already have a very low awareness and
>> > > visibility about Wikisource among general internet users due to lack
>> of
>> > > organized support in these years but the invisibility on Google search
>> > > engine could become the last nail in our coffin, unless it is fixed
>> soon.
>> > >
>> > > There is a phabricator ticket raised by Darwinius back in December
>> 2022 -
>> > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607.
>> > >
>> > > Can't this issue be put into priority by sys admins and WMF to work
>> upon?
>> > > Wikisource is still a sister project of Wikimedia and it needs some
>> very
>> > > basic care, after all.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Bodhisattwa
>> > > (Bengali Wikisource volunteer)
>> > >
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Hi Everyone,
I think this is a good opportunity to discuss with Google's Search Team
here in Singapore in 2 weeks time.
You can register at Wikimania pre-Conference at this link:
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Related_events/Mind_The_Gap
Kind regards,
Butch
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 5:13 PM James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Am having the same issue with Google poorly indexing MDWiki.org. I have
> personally switched my default browser to duckduckgo as they index much
> better. The two folks at Google who used to support their collaborations
> with Wikipedia are no longer with the company. Not sure if they have been
> replaced by anyone.
>
> James
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 12:51 AM Bodhisattwa <bodhisattwa.rgkmc(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Apologies for cross-posting.
>>
>> For those who have not noticed till now, Google is not indexing any
>> Wikisource language editions for the last couple of years which practically
>> means that any Wikisource contents in any languages, which are being
>> created in these years, are not searchable on Google and hence largely
>> remain invisible on the web.
>>
>> This is an extremely demotivating and frustrating situation for the
>> existing Wikisource volunteers to witness, draining away all of our past
>> and current efforts to bring and retain viewers, readers, GLAM partners and
>> any potential new editors. We already have a very low awareness and
>> visibility about Wikisource among general internet users due to lack of
>> organized support in these years but the invisibility on Google search
>> engine could become the last nail in our coffin, unless it is fixed soon.
>>
>> There is a phabricator ticket raised by Darwinius back in December 2022 -
>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607.
>>
>> Can't this issue be put into priority by sys admins and WMF to work upon?
>> Wikisource is still a sister project of Wikimedia and it needs some very
>> basic care, after all.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bodhisattwa
>> (Bengali Wikisource volunteer)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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Hi Folks,
There is a related activity happening in August 15 as pre-conference in
Wikimania.
Google is opening its doors to Wikimedians to have discussion. To know more
and how to register, please go to
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Related_events/Mind_The_Gap
You are encouraged to participate to tell suggestions and concerns related
to Wikisource.
Kind regards,
Butch Bustria
Hello all,
This is for the kind attention of the Wikisource contributors who are
participating in Wikimania 2023 that like previous editions of Wikimania, a
Wikisource meetup is being planned during this conference too.
In this regard, please decide the date and time of the meeting *by today*,
so that the slot can be booked for Wikisource.
Here is the Wudele link where you can select your choices of dates and
timings. - https://wudele.toolforge.org/5nICxeeCFqrMXBK8
Please follow the Wikimania program schedule to find out if any of your
preferred sessions is going to overlap with the meetup time of your choice.
- https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program
Regards,
Bodhisattwa
Hello Wikisource, GLAM, and Libraries enthusiasts,
Greetings from the Wikimedia Foundation's Culture and Heritage team. We're
excited to invite you to join the Wikisource Loves Manuscripts Learning
Partners Network
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Loves_Manuscripts/Learning_Partn…>!
The Wikisource Loves Manuscripts
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Loves_Manuscripts> project aims
to foster collaboration among communities interested in digitizing and
transcribing manuscripts on Wikimedia platforms (Wikimedia Commons and
Wikisource) but also to support the creation of Handwritten Text
Recognition (HTR) models using the newly introduced Transkribus engine in
Wikimedia OCR
<https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/07/13/enabling-handwritten-text-recognition…>
.
The official launch of the network is scheduled for *September 2023*, and
this is your last opportunity to be part of the first cohort. Take
advantage of this chance to be a part of WiLMa Learning Partners Network
and contribute to digitisation efforts alongside like-minded individuals.
To ensure the program meets your needs, we kindly request your
participation in our Needs Assessment survey
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdQdiMuD2qcsz0yaa6130-6D8bzYYSGYlT…>.
Please take your time and fill out the survey *on or before 2 August
2023*. Your
valuable insights will help us tailor our support and resources
effectively. Join now and be a vital part of this inspiring journey to
safeguard cultural heritage for future generations. You can access the
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This survey will be conducted via a third-party service, which may subject
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Regards Satdeep
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Senior Program Officer
Culture and Heritage
Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
Hello Wikisource Community User Group members,
Wikisource Community User Group is planning to organize Wikisource
Conference in 2024. We need to condact an engagement survey to apply for
grant to Wikimedia Foundation, and your respones will help us too to build
our conference and program.
Whether you are Wikisource community member or no, please give us your
feedback by filling this survey no later than July 20, and please spread
the survey among your communitiesand your local channels.
Link to the survey:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1hsy-e6CmwYxzSR16CvxTn51DxTbkkcJqEBqOWgIhTG…
Kind regards,
NANöR (On behalf of Initial Organizing Team).