Hello,
It seems there was some problem with the Rissian text. I copied that
again from the discussion
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Emergency_evacuation
I hope I did it right.
Regards,
Yann
Birgitte SB a écrit :
> The lack of copyright advice forcing us to rely on
> ourselves (namely amateurs) being a problem is old
> news. But this is situation where I believe amateur
> copyright enforcer has gone too far.
>
> Contributors never like to hear that they misjudged
> copyright and must remove their work. However we must
> try to handle such issues with tact. At the extreme
> end of this problem, I believe someone from the
> foundation must intervene with those who claim false
> authority. Such as an editor who believes he knows
> better than others on copyright issues and implies he
> has the approval of the Jimbo and the ability to see
> that the foundation shuts down a project if the
> contributors do not submit to his opinion. This is an
> extreme case where action is needed.
>
> Background: The most distressing part of a Russian
> copyright dispute regards rehabilitated prisoners,
> including the men and women who died in Soviet Gulags.
> A new Russian law, which becomes active Jan 1, 2008,
> will apparently restore IP rights on their works for
> 70 years + the date of their most recent postmortem
> rehabilitation. As many of these authors, such Osip
> Mandelstam have no heirs (the gulag authorities seems
> to have failed to have prisoners create wills before
> seeing to their early deaths) so everything will be
> inherited by the Union of Russian Writers and the
> Russian State which killed him in a concentration camp
> in 1938. This is obviously distressing to ex-pat
> contributors. They would like further opinions but are
> instead threatened that further delay in deleting
> these works will lead to the project being shut down.
>
> Alex Spade[1]: This information and other copyright
> info comes from Alex Spade who delivers such
> information as if he has authority on copyright
> interpretations. He leads the contributors at ru.WS to
> believe he is in communication with the WMF about this
> matter and his rulings have WMF approval. Whether he
> meant to foster such a belief or simply neglected to
> correct it, I cannot say. From my time spent with
> babelfish and the community discussion page of ru.WS
> [2] I find the following examples to a fair
> representation of his tone. He did give a breakdown
> of why he believes the copyright issue exists, but was
> not open to discussion or requests for further
> opinions. Is it truly such an air-tight case? I am
> not sure. However with restorations that apparently
> go into effect *next* year, but are not valid now, I
> would be looking for other opinions as well. Even if
> his opinion tuns out to be correct, it cannot excuse
> the way he is handling this issue. Translations by
> Dmitrismirnov:
«Уважаемые участники, и в особенности, администраторы русской Викитеки.
Даже без грядущих изменений законодательства об АП в России, вы вообще
соблюдать текущее то законодательство собираетесь? Или вы добиваетесь,
чтобы фонд по чьей-нибуть заявке (ну, например, моей) закрыл проект,
также: как в своё время француский викицитатник? Alex Spade 11:56, 8
сентября 2007 (UTC)»
> Translation: “Respected participants and in particular
> the administrators of the Russian Wikisourse,
> Even without the future changes of the copyright law
> in Russia, are you going to keep the current law? Or
> you strive that the Wiki-fundation would shut project
> by somebody’s claim (for example, by mine), like it
> was with the French Wiki-Quote sometime ago?”
>
> And later:
Вижу, что всё сложно, и слишком много ограничений, которые разрушают всё
лучшее, что есть в Викитеке. Jimbo должен знать о наших проблемах и
понять наше недовольство. Надеюсь, Вы ему передадите это Dmitrismirnov
12:46, 17 сентября 2007 (UTC)]
> Translation:[Dmitr Simirnov: I see that all this is
> complicated, and there are too many limitations, which
> destroy all best part of the Wikisourse. Jimbo must
> know about our problems and understand our
> dissatisfaction. I hope, you will communicate this to
> him. Dmitrismirnov 12:46, 17
Он об это и так знает, но лицензию GFDL никто менять не будет - видимо
решили жить под не самой удачной лицензией, чем нарваться на
необходимость перелицензирования миллионов страниц и изображений,
созданных миллионами участников. Alex Spade 19:41, 17 сентября 2007 (UTC)
> Translation: [Alex Spade: He knows about this
> definitely. But nobody will change the license GFDL –
> so they probably decided to live with not the most
> successful license, which is better than to change of
> millions of pages and images, created by million
> participants. Alex Spade 19:41, 17
> сентября
> 2007 (UTC)]
>
>
> Such heavy-handiness and false authority shown here
> are damage to the reputation of WMF. Dmitrismirnov
> [3] is not only a notable composer and therefore has
> real-world appreciation of IP rights, but he also is a
> valued Wikimedian as a literary translator. He is
> truly creating free works we would not otherwise have
> in the world by releasing his translations under the
> GFDL. We all create free work in some way, but I have
> a special appreciation for those who participate in
> the more skilled endeavors. And it especially offends
> me to see what I feel to be deception used to close
> this discussion possibly driving away a contributor I
> value.
>
> Birgitte SB
>
> [1]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Alex_Spade
> [2]http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%…
> [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Nikolayevich_Smirnov_%28composer%29
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Hello,
That might be particularly interesting for Wikisource.
Yann
From: Magnus Manske
Date: 13 Oct 2007 09:16
Subject: [Wikipedia-l] PDF generation on the toolserver
On a note by [[User:Korrigan]], I have adapted (rather, rewritten) the
PDF Export extension for the toolserver. You can now get a single or
multiple Wiki(m|p)edia pages as a PDF, by entering/linking to an URL.
As the extension, I am using HTMLDOC, so the output is as good (or as
bad) as that package. Don't blame me.
I shall demonstrate using our new meme overlord, [[Horse-ripping]],
and the related article [[Zoosadism]] from en.wikipedia:
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/pdf.php?title=Horse-ripping|Zoosadism
Additional parameters (add them to the URL):
&language=XX (XX being the language code; en is default)
&project=wikibooks (default:wikipedia)
&nogfdl (3 pages of GFDL are appended by default; add this parameter
to prevent that)
I haven't figured out how to make HTMLDOC generate a TOC. Maybe tomorrow.
Cheers,
Magnus
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Bonjour,
J'ai fait ce que j'ai pu avec les informations que j'ai trouvées (c'est-à-dire presque rien).
C'est du bricolage, et je ne connais pas grand chose à Linux. Sous Windows,
je n'ai pas trouvé de procédure pratique, mais ça marche.
Si quelqu'un veut rédiger une page d'aide complète, qu'il n'hésite pas à nous faire
partager ses connaissances...
Marc
Hello,
Rama Rama a écrit :
>/ I have more or less translated the page.
/>/ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Creating_a_DjVu_file
/>/
/>/ I am surprised that this page is focused on MS-Windows and proprietary
/>/ software. It addresses trivial questions of opening and saving file in
/>/ different format to convert them in a very typical Microsoft way :
/>/
/>/ "Tiff files from Gallica can be opened in FineReader (even after the
/>/ evaluation period is over). By exporting the pages into tiff (same
/>/ format), it is possible to crop the margins with XnView."
/>/
/>/ We might want to write something more rational.
/
This page was written mostly by Marc for Windows users.
Actually I am still a beginner on creating DJVU files on Linux and/or
with free software. Of course, that information needs to be added.
Regards,
Yann
Hello,
Rama Rama a écrit :
> I have more or less translated the page.
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Creating_a_DjVu_file
>
> I am surprised that this page is focused on MS-Windows and proprietary
> software. It addresses trivial questions of opening and saving file in
> different format to convert them in a very typical Microsoft way :
>
> "Tiff files from Gallica can be opened in FineReader (even after the
> evaluation period is over). By exporting the pages into tiff (same
> format), it is possible to crop the margins with XnView."
>
> We might want to write something more rational.
This page was written mostly by Marc for Windows users.
Actually I am still a beginner on creating DJVU files on Linux and/or
with free software. Of course, that information needs to be added.
Regards,
Yann
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=== Request for help ===
Dear readers,
Almost two years ago I started with Wikizine. The very first message
send out about it was also a "special edition". That was to present
Wikizine, what it was all about.
http://en.wikizine.org/2005/10/year-2005-week41-special-edition.html
This one now is not to explain what Wikizine is.
Wikizine is not totally unsuccessful. The number of readers has only
go up since its existence, slowly yes, but up nevertheless. The rare
feedback has been positive.
It was my intention to create a platform with Wikizine to bring
together the most relevant information, news, from all Wikimedia
projects and languages. I felt, and still do, that there is a need for
that.
I hoped that after some time a network of reporters of the various
wikis, languages, projects, would form who could bring there news to
the larger community by means of Wikizine. And also that the would
people step up to join me in creating Wikizine.
This largely did not happened. In the last two years some people have
volunteered and helped with making Wikizine. But that where far to
few, who did not a lot and only for a to short time to have any real
impact.
Wikizine was and is still a one man show. I have made all editions
until now of Wikizine. I can not continue like this. It has become
more difficult with every edition for me to bring myself to get the
next one ready. The time it was fun is long gone. The frequency of the
editions has become more and more erratic. And the quality is falling.
I need people who are willing to work substantially on Wikizine. And
not only today but on the long term. Finding news, writing it in the
draft; constructing Wikizine. If you like to help please contact me;
walter AT wikizine.org
Request for help for Wikizine has been send out before, only not so
explicit like now. This is also the first time I send it to
non-Wikizine channels.
The responds the previous times was always nearly zero. I do not
expect anything else this time. Surprise me.
Greetings,
Walter Vermeir
The editor-founder of Wikizine
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[Please translate this announcement into other languages.]
Wikipedia's roots in the more conservative Nupedia project are reflected by
many in-depth discussions we've had over the years about quality assurance,
filtering, and labeling.
In her "4 wishes for the year 2007" [1], Wikimedia Foundation Chair
Florence Devouard also identified "reliability" as a key goal for the
Wikimedia Foundation. Today we're taking two small steps towards that
goal:
* the launch of http://quality.wikimedia.org/ as a portal targeting
readers and volunteers to summarize key information about current
quality initiatives, combined with
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiquality as a more in-depth
description of our plans,
* the opening of wikiquality-l as a mailing list for related discussions:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiquality-l
Notably, these pages describe our current plans with regard to the
"FlaggedRevs" extension, a MediaWiki extension developed by Aaron
Schulz and Jörg Baach (with financial support from Wikimedia
Deutschland e.V.) which makes it possible to identify revisions of
articles that are known to be of a certain quality, and to change the
default view based on that information.
The public beta of this feature (initially on dummy websites, i.e. not
production environments) will begin as soon as a security review of
the current code has been completed (expected later this month). In
the meantime, please give your feedback on the quality.wikimedia.org
portal, add translations, and subscribe to wikiquality-l to join
future discussions about the specifics of any particular initiative.
[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/4_wishes_for_year_2007
Sincerely,
Erik Möller
Board member, Wikimedia Foundation
Bonjour,
Je signale ici, plutôt que sur le scriptorium (pour des raisons
évidentes), un cas qui pourrait s'avérer problématique :
http://fr.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion_Utilisateur:Marc&curi…
Il s'agit d'une traduction réalisée à partir de traductions non-libres.
Je cite :
"Le plus drôle c'est que si j'avais menti et dit que la traduction était
de moi, elle serait passée, c'est le cas de le dire,
comme une lettre à la poste... Rassure-toi je me refuse à de telles
pratiques."
Pour le cas qui concerne le contributeur, je n'ai pas vraiment d'avis,
et ce n'est pas de ce qu'il a publié que je veux discuter, mais du
problème que cela soulève.
Je suis en fait assez d'accord avec ce qu'il dit : si le mode /page/
assure la qualité des éditions, en revanche, les traductions faites par
les contributeurs peuvent
poser de gros problèmes : je n'ai pas de mal à m'imaginer en train de
copier plusieurs traductions non-libres, à les mélanger, et à les éditer
ni vu ni connu sur Wikisource...
Marc
FYI. Yann
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Sujet: [Foundation-l] ComProj needs your help - call for volunteers
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:28:16 +0100
De: Sean Whitton <sean (at) silentflame (dot) com>
Répondre à: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
<foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Dear Wikimedians,
The Communication Projects Group or ComProj was set up some months ago
to provide a venue for collaboration between Wikimedians who want to
help with communication work. We do all sorts of things: preparation
of PR material, reaching out to specific groups to get them involved
in our projects, and encouraging inter-project communication.
While the group was started up by Sandra Ordonez, the Wikimedia
Foundation's Communications Manager, it could in its present form have
been started up by any Wikimedian - Sandy is always there to offer
guidance but she has made it clear she is not in charge and wants the
group to run itself. We do that.
How we work is that communication projects are put forward on our
mailing list, and people can volunteer to take them on in groups or
individually. These can come from all members and, unsurprisingly,
Sandy and Cary Bass, Wikimedia's volunteer co-ordinator at the office.
We also have weekly IRC meetings to discuss our projects.
At the moment we are struggling for members due to August dragging
many people away. Projects are not getting done as fast as they should
be and we could really do with more members. So, if you have an
interest in communications, please drop by
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group/Membership>.
All that we require is that you are willing to put a decent amount of
time into our projects, prioritising it amongst your other valuable
work.
Please distribute this to individual project mailing lists that I may
not be subscribed to, as ComProj is not just for Wikipedia.
Yours,
Sean Whitton
ComProj chair
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