Wikisource-l November 2013

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
by David Cuenca 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de>wrote: > MediaWiki used to handle this inconsistently: multiple links for the same > language where shown in the sidebar, but not recorded in the database. This > inconsistency was fixed a few months ago - now, only one link per page can > exist. I suppose that's why the template no longer works. > Someone's bug is someone else's feature... Anyhow, on fr-ws they already have a custom menu on the left to link with other wikimedia projects ("Compléments") which is loaded by: https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js Example: https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Victor_Hugo If you want to add a similar menu for editions then it should be compatible with: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DoubleWiki I'm not suggesting to always great a work *page* on wikisource, even if > there is > only one edition in that language. I'm saying that there should always be > an > *item* for the work on wikidata, even if there is only an item for one > edition. > Sorry, I misunderstood you. Yes, I agree it makes sense to create an item for the work on wikidata. Micru

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
by David Cuenca 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de>wrote: > However, MediaWiki only supports one link per target site in the sidebar. > > Maybe an on-page navigation box could be used instead of "proper" language > links? > > With the help of JavaScript, the contents of that nav box could then be > moved > into the sidebar. That's a bit hackish, but would work ok, I think. > On English Wikisource they were using this template to allow more than one link per language: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Interwiki-info However it seems that is not working now on this page (the interwiki list should be much larger according to the wikitext): https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Raven_%28Poe%29 > > I think it would be a good idea to always have that, for consistency and > structural integrity. > It makes sense to create "work pages" for works with several editions in a given language (5-10% depending on language) since it is the equivalent of having a desambiguation page, but having a big number of "work pages" on Wikisource for works that only have one edition might be detrimental for the user experience, unless they are redirects. How far is the development of using redirect pages as sitelinks? --Micru

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
by David Cuenca 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Yes, that would be it: one work-item (acting as hub), x edition items connected to the work-item, each edition-item connected to its corresponding Wikisource page with a sitelink and, on Wikisource, an auto-generated nav bar that lists all sitelinks from all edition-items on the left (equivalent to the current interwiki link list). If there is more than one edition per language "author citation (P835)" or "author (P50)" value can be shown next to the language name. For connecting works with editions we already have "edition (P747)" and "edition of (P629)". On Wikisource I don't think it is necessary to have always a "work page", this only happens when there is more than one edition for any given language. The most important part is to automate the creation of a work-item on Wikidata whenever is needed to link one edition to another (same or different languages) and, of course, show the generated nav bar on all edition pages . Wikipedia(s) will be connected to the work-items as usual. "Template:Infobox book" needs some work to be able to show work- and edition-item data. I have started a proposal for this task as a possible Code-In, but maybe the second part needs arbitrary item access. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Code-In#Lua_templates --Micru On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de>wrote: > This sounds feasible, yes. > > If I understand correctly, you want one item for each work (or work > expression?), and one for each edition of that work. The editions would > link > back to the work with a is-edition-of property (or the other way around: > the > work item would have an "editions" statement for each edition; I prefer the > former in principle, but must advise you to go with the latter initially - > that > way it will work without queries). > > On wikisource, there would be a page about the work, which the work-item > would > have a sitelink to. On that wiki page, you would use lua to list all the > editions. Each edition-item may in turn have a sitelink to a wikisource > page > about that edition (right?) and you want to use these to automatically > generate > a navigation bar. > > Yes, that should work with what we have available in Lua already. > > -- daniel > > Am 04.11.2013 16:59, schrieb David Cuenca: > > Actually a query or Lua would be much better solution for Wikisource > instead of > > sitelinks (well, author pages can have sitelinks that is no problem). > > > > According to the data model that we have been defining for Wikisource > [1] there > > should be a top-level item (work item) representing all the editions > that a text > > has, then there should be sub-items for each edition (example of a book > with > > several translations [2]). Each one of those sub-items is the one that > should be > > connected with a "sitelink", although there will be only of them per > item. > > > > Ideally, the script or the query should examine which items are > connected with > > the property pair "edition/edition of", collect the sitelink of each > language > > and list them all for each one of them. > > > > Is that factible? > > > > Cheers, > > Micru > > > > > > [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force > > [2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6911 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikidata-l mailing list > > Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non

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archive.org switched to ABBYY FineReader 9.0
by Federico Leva (Nemo) 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

As you know, many of us use archive.org to OCR their books: <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:DjVu_files#The_Internet_Archive> For a while, they've been stuck with FineReader 8.0. I've just noticed the last OCR processes use 9.0, which has 5 more languages and 2 more dictionaries: http://www.abbyy.com/support/finereader_90_ts/RecognitionLanguages/ http://www.abbyy.com/support/finereader_80_ts/RecognitionLanguages/ I think it's worth re-doing OCR on any archive.org DjVu you're using (and you definitely must do so if it's one of those languages). I'm a (limited) admin there, so feel free to give me on my talk lists of items where to update OCR: https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Nemo_bis Nemo

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
by David Cuenca 05 Nov '13

05 Nov '13

Excellent news! :) For the author pages it is quite straight-forward. For the bibliographic metadata the easiest would be to connect wikidata items with the "Book:" page generated by the (planned) Book Manager extension. The "Book:" page is supposed to provide the book structure and act as a metadata hub for both books with scans (those with Index: page) and books without scans (there was no solution for those yet) Project page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Book_management Bugzilla page: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15071 Example: http://tools.wmflabs.org/bookmanagerv2/mediawiki/index.php?title=Book:The_I… Problem, the extension is not finished yet and neither Molly nor Raylton have time to keep working on it. Some bugs are still open and the fields in the template would need to be maped to Wikidata properties. All this is not relevant for phase 1 (if it is done only for books), but it will become relevant for phase 2. Is there anyone that could volunteer as an OPW mentor to help a potential student to finish this project? Cheers, Micru On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > The next sister project to get language links via Wikidata is > Wikisource. We're currently planning this for January 13. > The coordination is happening at > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikisource On this page we're > also looking for ambassadors to help spread the messages to the > different language editions of Wikisource. Please help if you can. > > > Cheers > Lydia > > -- > Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher > Product Manager for Wikidata > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. > Obentrautstr. 72 > 10963 Berlin > www.wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non

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Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter (#1)
by David Cuenca 04 Nov '13

04 Nov '13

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jake Orlowitz <jorlowitz(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter (#1) To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, cultural-partners(a)wikimedia.ch, North American Cultural Partnerships <glam-us(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, "Wikimedia & GLAM collaboration [Public]" <glam(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, Open Access discussions <openaccess(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, Libraries(a)lists.wikimedia.org *Books and Bytes* Welcome to the inaugural edition of *Books and Bytes*, The Wikipedia Library's monthly newsletter. The Wikipedia Library is an open research hub for connecting libraries to Wikipedia and encyclopedia editors back to libraries and reliable sources. There's lots of news this month for The Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved: *New positions: Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, or a Volunteer Wikipedia Librarian *Wikipedia Loves Libraries: Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted. *New subscription donations: Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis?? *New ideas: OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges * News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY * Announcing WikiProject Open:''' WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions * New ways to get involved: Free accounts, user profiles, subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration Read the full newsletter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/Oct… Thanks for reading! --Jake Orlowitz (Ocaasi) and Pat Earley (The Interior) *To receive future updates of Books and Bytes on Wikipedia, please add your name to *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/Recipients _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
by David Cuenca 04 Nov '13

04 Nov '13

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de>wrote: > Am 04.11.2013 16:10, schrieb Amir Ladsgroup: > > If you're using statement instead of site link who we can trace item from > > article of wikisource to wikidata > > This will very soon be possible with queries. > Actually a query or Lua would be much better solution for Wikisource instead of sitelinks (well, author pages can have sitelinks that is no problem). According to the data model that we have been defining for Wikisource [1] there should be a top-level item (work item) representing all the editions that a text has, then there should be sub-items for each edition (example of a book with several translations [2]). Each one of those sub-items is the one that should be connected with a "sitelink", although there will be only of them per item. Ideally, the script or the query should examine which items are connected with the property pair "edition/edition of", collect the sitelink of each language and list them all for each one of them. Is that factible? Cheers, Micru [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force [2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6911

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Individual Engagement Grant project: Towards a PlanetMath Books Exchange
by Joe Corneli 04 Nov '13

04 Nov '13

Please be aware of - and where appropriate, lend your support to - this Individual Engagement Grant proposal: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/PlanetMath_Books_Project -- which I've put together with PlanetMath contributor Raymond Puzio. Inspired by the PlanetMath Exchange project on Wikipedia, our aim with this proposal is to improve the PlanetMath platform and make it easy to produce mathematics textbooks, for export to places like Wikisource. In particular, part of the grant proposal focuses on developing novel approaches to mathematics OCR and proofreading, using a combination of off-the-shelf and new open source systems. Your endorsement of the grant proposal would mean a lot! Please note: although we are targeting English initially in with the proposal (as a demo), this will be relevant to other language communities as well. I've announced the project on the English language Wikisource Scriptorum, but if you can spread the word to other language communities, please do. And please let me know if you have any questions as well!

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One global proofreading contest or three independent ones?
by David Cuenca 04 Nov '13

04 Nov '13

So far 3 chapter organizations have expressed interest supporting the 10th aniversary Wikisource proofreading contest (planned from 24 to 30 Nov): - Wikimedia DC - Wikimedia Italy - Amical Wikimedia However, there is a question that needs to be resolved: shall we do a big global contest or three independent contests? With the first option we would put the prices offered by each chapter in a "pool" (1 e-reader from each chapter) and then the rankings will be shared between all partipants in all interested wikisources (we would need at least a coordinator for each wikisource). With the second option each prize would be for the winner at the local wikisource offering the prize. I would prefer a global contest, even if it requires more volunteers and more organizational work, I think it is important to have solidarity between chapters and wikisources. What do you think? Cheers, Micru

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource survey
by Arnd Schröter 01 Nov '13

01 Nov '13

I would go for German translation if you tell me how. .. -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com> Datum: 10.10.2013 14:50 (GMT+01:00) An: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Betreff: Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource survey Hi all. The survey has been translated already in Italian and French, and is being translated in Hindi. Is somebody else interested in translating it in another language? Do you have any more feedback? Otherwise, we'll launch it as soon as the last translations are completed. Aubrey On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com> wrote: I will write you in private. For translating it, the best thing is to directly do that on the software. Is anyone else interested in doing so? As of now, we have French, Hindi and Italian volunteers. Aubrey On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Erasmo Barresi <erasmo_barresi(a)live.it> wrote: Aubrey, you might want to change "Wikisource should accept user translations?" to "Should Wikisource accept user translations?". Everything else is good. Congratulations! I volunteer to translate it into Italian. Where can I write the translation? Erasmo _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l

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