Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

21 Jan 2020

      I'm not sure why you want to vote on something that you will have to adapt
to your community needs and implement accordingly, Ziko. What exactly is
contentious about them that needs a vote, especially when the
implementation will hopefully lead to more decentralised structures? Or do
you think it could get worse? ;-)
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
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Hello Anders,
Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic
in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most
neutral way.
Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to
tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you
think that opponents need a better „attitude“?
Kind regards,
Ziko
Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se schrieb am Di. 21. Jan. 2020
um 12:14:
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Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live
on the same planet.
A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end
result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as
I can see.
And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend the
people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of work.
As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my
colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our
communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And I
meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I
meet volunteers and  functionaries IRL. But in this list i find
appalling negative entries as i find to  be in direct opposition to our
movement values.
So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of
the recommendations
Andersw
Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
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Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it.
An
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openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the
community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that
are
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accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the
community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their
interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing
political games to get around it.
I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and
wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a
correctly
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community-led process for voting on it.
As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give
any
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feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
shouting
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out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
Fae
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com
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Hello,
We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not
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to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
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Kind regards
Ziko
Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter <
ymbalt@gmail.com>:
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We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to
react
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this time).
Best
Yaroslav
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com
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Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
feedback
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on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we
expect
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anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org
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> Dear all,
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> I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
movement
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> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1].
On
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behalf
> of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation
writers, I
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am
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> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment
to
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read
> through, review, and comment.
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> In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In
2020,
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your
> fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we
can
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bring
> to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> ecosystem of free knowledge.
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> == Review the recommendations ==
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> These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
discussions
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> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
research
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> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups
[2],
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> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
significant
> amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
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> every person who contributed to creating this work.
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> I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation
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the
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> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
these
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> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how
the
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> recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
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> The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
German,
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> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available
in
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> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
condensed
> introduction to the recommendations material.
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> == Share your feedback ==
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> In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
relevant
> to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
organizations
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that
> make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> recommendations and share their thoughts.
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> Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these
recommendations
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might
> have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion
groups
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> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and
structures.
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> This round of community conversations will run until the first week
of
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> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish
a
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> summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
and
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> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a
role
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> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
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> towards discussions around implementation.
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> You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
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> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
meta
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> pages.
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> Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
invaluable
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> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
knowledge.
> And every single contribution made by every community member from
the
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> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
movement
> we are today.
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> I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
looking
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> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few
weeks.
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> Katherine
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
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> [9]
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
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> --
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> Katherine Maher (she/her)
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> Executive Director
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> Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation