Gerard, this email thread was not about Wikidata and John was right to make that clear, and link to the locus of debate behind your email.
Over the last four years, to my frail memory, you often hijack email threads on this list to talk about Wikidata and attract attention to Wikidata debates. Maybe many Wikimedians feel that's a fine and useful thing to do, but from my point of view the apparent persistent lobbying put me off reading any further into almost all of the linked Wikidata discussions. I suspect this type of persistence puts other people off too, though perhaps other volunteers can offer you better advice on how to express your view without taking threads that had nothing to do with Wikidata into long and sometimes 'shouty' multiple emails about Wikidata.
This is intended as frank feedback, not an attack. If it reads like the latter, my apologies for being unable to express myself more clearly.
Thanks, Fae
On 1 August 2016 at 14:22, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, The point is not about people. It is about presentations given at Wikimania. They represent the best effort at the time of a Wikimania and are therefore highly relevant.
I am sad that people like John misrepresent the issues at hand. They are three:
- are Wikimania talks relevant
- should consideration for Wikimedians be any different from the way we
treat other people
- is it ok for a Wikidata admin to delete a lot of content without any
discussion. At this time it is easy to observe that Wikidata do as they please, they require of others big "community" efforts and easily do as they please without considering the Wikidata policies.
Thanks, GerardM
On 1 August 2016 at 09:31, John Mark Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, A question that is very much under discussion is if presentations like these deserve a place at Wikidata. Given the subject and the relevancy of our current state of mind on subjects like these it makes perfect sense.
We
are already able to produce lists using the tools provided by Magnus to update when new talks of a conference or on a subject are present.
What do we think? Are presentations like these notable? Are the presentations of Wikimania notable?
Context for Gerard's post is:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Controv... https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2016-July/009158.html
I believe it is highly off-topic wrt the subject of this thread about Katherine's talk, which cant be compared with creating Wikidata items about non-notable Wikimedians simply because they presented at Wikimania.
-- John Vandenberg