Personally I'd argue that WMF should only spend their (and everyone's) time and energy on consultation when it's a substantive issue.
Chris
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi Christophe,
I'm afraid that does not answer my question. If it changes absolutely nothing, it would be an unnecessary resolution. So surely there is *something* that changes (and that doesn't have to be a bad thing), such as improved clarity or legal certainty. But probably you're right - and this is more symbolic than anything else. And in that sense your response also feels more symbolic than anything else.
If your statement 'I fail to see what community input could have brought' truly reflects your opinion, that is quite saddening, and what I feared but did not want to assume. It would be honest though, because it implies that you wouldn't have changed your mind no matter what unimagined facts and arguments the community may have come up with.
The argument that the decision makers cannot imagine what the stakeholders could bring to the discussion reflects an attitude that you have all the facts - a denial that there may be things that you don't know to not know.
I hope this is an unfortunate glitch (which can happen).
Best, Lodewijk
2016-12-22 8:13 GMT+01:00 Christophe Henner chenner@wikimedia.org:
Hey,
I feel there might be a misunderstanding here :)
Legal team has, for a long time now, always worked with the community on policy updates.
I don't see that changing.
This is a technical / legal delegation. I fail to see what community
input
could have brought. We needed to be able to make changes to policies more easily, it is now possible.
Does this mean it changes everything else, no.
Le 21 déc. 2016 11:24 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org a écrit :
Hi Christophe, all,
I wonder, was there an urgency to pass this resolution, or did I miss the invitation for community members to give input on this proposal? It
doesn't
look particularly sensitive so that it couldn't be shared in advance. It has potentially direct impact on the functioning of the community. Seems like a typical example where requesting input could be valuable. So I'd like to understand the thinking behind the chosen process a little
better.
Basically I'd have liked the discussion in this thread to have been part
of
the considerations, rather than a response to the resolution.
Thanks, Lodewijk
2016-12-21 4:45 GMT+01:00 Christophe Henner chenner@wikimedia.org:
Hi Pine,
If you don't mind I will address your different points separately.
First, the resolution and its context. "Supervising" the ED is indeed a board duty, but this supervision must not become micro-management. That resolution provides staff the liberty to do their work more
efficiently.
It
doesn't remove our duty of oversight.
I feel like you think delegating negates ones ability to provide supervision, I would tend to think otherwise as delegating free time
and
energy to focus on the core roles of a board.
Second, the requirements to answer the community. I'm sorry, here I answered quite spontaneously, you are right nothing forces us to.
But, as I've said in my candidacy and in public some time I believe we have, as WMF board, a leadership duty. And I also believe you lead by example. I've always believed, in the movement, we are all partners. We need each other to push forward our mission. You treat partners the way yourself want to be treated by them. That is why I believe it is
important
to communicate. It doesn't mean we have to see eye to eye on everything
but
that when a question rise we should answer as much as we can. That's something I've said to nearly everyone who reached out to me in the
past
few month privately, my answer perhaps won't be the one you want, but
at
least there will be an answer and an explanation every time I can. Like right now actually :D
Finally, regarding board governance review, Natalia, as chair of the
BGC,
published minutes of our meetings[1], and that is a key topic we
address
and not push aside. That being said it will be a board review, not one
on
that specific event. We will be able to provide more information on
that
topic soon I think :)
I hope I answered your questions.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ Board_Governance_Committee
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Christophe,
I wish it was true that the Board is required to answer the
community's
questions, but that isn't the case. WMF isn't a membership
organization,
there isn't a policy that requires the Board to be responsive to
community
input and questions, and the community has limited ability to
influence
the
Board (though I think it is wise for the Board to listen).
My perspective is that the 2015 board was not particularly responsive
to
community (or WMF employees') questions or input, including questions
and
input regarding human resources and governance matters. (For
example, I
still haven't seen a good explanation of why WMF shouldn't undergo a governance review in the wake of Doc James' dismissal; WMF has
appeared
to
try to brush that issue under the rug rather than address it with the
level
of transparency and rigor that I feel it deserves.) Thankfully the
level
of
responsiveness has improved since 2015, but it's incorrect to say
that
the
Board is required to respond to community questions.
The vague nature of the resolution as MZMcBride quotes it makes me uncomfortable. I would suggest revising the language of this
resolution
so
that it is clearer which kinds of changes the Board will require the Executive Director to submit to the WMF Board for approval. I realize
that
it may seem expedient to grant the Executive Director wide latitude,
but
I
feel that the Board should provide more specificity, particularly
given
what happened when the Board was apparently so lax with the
supervision
of
the previous Executive Director.
Thanks,
Pine
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Christophe Henner <
chenner@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hey,
Basically it's making the legal team life's easier when they need
to
do
small and/or quick changes. They don't have to go through the whole resolution process to change a comma.
We're still informed and are talking with staff about those
changes.
As for responsibility, we decided to delegate responsibility, but
at
the
end of the day we still will have to answer the community's
question
:)
Have a good day
Christophe
Le 20 déc. 2016 6:50 AM, "MZMcBride" z@mzmcbride.com a écrit :
This is probably of interest to this list.
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Delegation_of_policy-ma
king_authority
Delegation of policy-making authority
This was approved on December 13, 2016 by the Board of Trustees.
Whereas, the Board of Trustees has traditionally approved certain
global
Wikimedia Foundation policies (such as the Privacy Policy and Terms
of
Use) as requested during the July 4, 2004 Board meeting https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Meetings/July_4,_2004;
Whereas, the Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director has authority
to
conduct the affairs of the Wikimedia Foundation, which includes
adopting
and implementing policies;
Resolved, the Board hereby delegates the authority to adopt, alter,
and
revoke policies to the Executive Director, who may further delegate
such
authority to Wikimedia Foundation staff as they deem appropriate;
Resolved, the Board may continue to review and approve policies for
the
Wikimedia Foundation upon request to the Executive Director or as
required
by law.
Approve
Christophe Henner (Chair), Maria Sefidari (Vice Chair), Dariusz Jemielniak, Kelly Battles, Guy Kawasaki, Jimmy Wales, Nataliia
Tymkiv,
and Alice Wiegand
I wonder how much of this resolution is formalizing what was
already
happening and how much of this is moving the Wikimedia Foundation
in
a
new
direction. After a very tumultuous year at the Wikimedia
Foundation,
this
is certainly a notable development.
I also wonder in what ways this abrupt change will alter the
relationship
between the editing communities and the Board of Trustees. The
Wikimedia
Foundation Board of Trustees seems to be committing itself to
downsizing
its role and responsibilities. The concern is that a change like
this
will
reduce accountability when policies are set, unset, and changed by
someone
overseeing a large staff that regularly comes in conflict with an
even
larger set of editing communities. The Executive Director, of
course,
is
unelected and has been a central point of repeated controversies
recently.
It's been less than a year since the previous Executive Director
resigned
after being forced out by her staff. In the context of the recent
history,
this resolution is all the more puzzling.
MZMcBride
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