On 12/2/07, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
On 12/2/07, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think you're misinterpreting a bunch of social interactions that may have happened. The world isn't divided into the enemies and supporters of the Truly Good Free Culture Movement. CC's proponents aren't faceless bureaucrats. Larry Lessig, Joi Ito, Jimmy Wales (who is on the CC Board) and others all have their own unique and internally consistent views of how to change the world for the better.
That doesn't mean these are your views, or mine. But recognizing them as valid interpretations of reality is the first step to extending the hand of friendship and working with others. I do believe that, in the vision of the people who run CC, responding to the people who are changing and challenging existing models of cultural production is key to doing their job well. That doesn't mean that they do not understand the reasoning of different communities, or the consequences of particular decisions.
To work with CC means to engage them in a productive dialogue about the future of culture, not to shun them as untrustworthy or unprincipled. Unfortunately, in conflicts like this one, people like yourself often respond by taking an extreme position which is untenable and, ultimately, unsuccessful. The result is that you will not convince others of your beliefs, that you will in fact alienate those who would listen to you, that the "pragmatic" faction will strive to quickly execute theirs, and that the resulting outcome is not the best one possible.
I want to invite you, Greg, to participate in creating the best possible outcome. That will _not_ be the one you _or_ I are currently thinking of. This is not about selling out your beliefs; it's about recognizing that the world out there is different from the world inside your head.
Wonderful post, Erik; just wonderful.
-- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
Sarcastic ?
What!!!
That above posting by Erik I thought was one of the most thoughtful, if not *the* most thoughtful of posts by Erik I have ever read on this or any other mailing list. That is all I wanted to communicate. Seriously.
The sentiment that we need to move forward and in coöperation, is really one we should all take to heart. What on earth could I find to be sarcastic about in all that?
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Sometimes I wonder...
-- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]