At enwiki, we have similar results. [1] For example
"VisualEditor, as currently deployed, is a useful feature" ( 5 Support, 37 Oppose )
Even though most users believe VisualEditor is nonetheless a good idea
"VisualEditor is a good idea in theory" ( 54 Support, 5 Oppose, 5 Neutral )
Taken in context with the various comments in other forums (such as WP:VE/F), the fact that 1300 enwiki users have enabled a gadget to remove VE, and the early evidence that VE makes new users less likely to edit [2][3], and I think one would also see a majority of enwiki participants voting in favor of turning the thing off. Somehow I don't think the WMF would actually let enwiki go back to an opt-in mode, but I do believe that a majority of the editors likely to participate in such polls would support that at present.
Of course, this deployment is clearly being run in a top-down fashion without much effort to determine whether the various communities involved feel the software is ready.
-Robert Rohde
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor/RFC [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_reg... [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback&am...
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi,
I found the vote to be a poll here: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Opinielokaal#Tijdelijk_uitschakelen_v... (some 50 people voted in favor of hiding the visual editor from all editors). Romaine seems (I only scanned it quickly) to have summarized the gist of the atmosphere correctly. To be totally clear: the poll is to make the visual editor *invisible*, with an opt-in for testing purposes. I am assuming this was to be achieved through either not rolling it out on nlwiki, or through js/css.
I must say I find especially this email very unspecific with regards to what would exactly be the problems. The poll gives more specific examples (although I myself don't really agree this weighs against the advantages, clearly for many they are significant enough).
Best, Lodewijk
2013/7/22 Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com
Hello Romaine,
Speaking only for myself, I appreciate detailed feedback like this. Could you link to the local votes and today's discussion?
SJ
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