On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 May 2014 18:59, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Russavia <russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com
wrote:
Once new search is working, the first enhancement to the search should be a clustering feature.[3] Wouldn't such a feature pretty much solve the problem that we currently have with search, and which won't be solved by the "out-of-the-box" search that is being worked on now.
John provided a link to Bugzilla[4] at which Chad has stated it would be a great feature, and it would be even more awesome to have the "Assigned to" change from "Nobody - You can work on this!" to "WMF Platform Team". The WMF has the coin, it has the tech talent, now we as a community need that solution.
Apart from everyone going to the Bugzilla report and adding their support for this feature (which they should do), how can we go about ensuring that such a feature is treated as a priority by the WMF?
Cheers
Russavia http://i.imgur.com/VdIqCkQ.png
[1]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/multimedia/2014-May/000517.html
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Controversial_content/Brainstorming#Clusteri...
I second this.
Niabot's clustering idea was the most sensible proposal to come out of
all
the brainstorming effort that went on at the time. No tagging, no censorship concerns, yet elegantly solves the problem of isolated NSFW results appearing out of the blue.
This would be a good thing to work on. _______________________________________________
While all of these proposals for improving search are really good ideas, it still does not address the root cause of the "masturbating with electric toothbrush" image - which is improper categorization in the first place. This is entirely within the human realm, and no software is going to filter that image out of any search for "electric toothbrush" as long as it's categorized as an "electric toothbrush" image.
Russavia's post directed to me earlier in this thread managed in one stroke to confirm just about everything that I said: that comments from those who aren't regular participants on Commons are to be belittled and ignored, that even a benign suggestion such as improving the categorization of an image will be met with cries of censorship, and that Commons does not have any desire or intention to change without the heavy hand of the WMF forcing it to do so.
It's very sad.
Risker/Anne
Anne,
I believe categorisation isn't the key factor here.
As far as I can tell from looking at search listings:
1. Searches privilege filenames first of all. Note that there is still a redirect under the old filename, which included the word "toothbrush":
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Masturbating_with_a_too...
2. Next, search picks up on other page content such as the image description (and quite possibly any categories). The image description of this file contains the words "electric toothbrush", and it's the words from the image description that are shown in bold in the search results page, not any category label.
3. If you run a Multimedia search for "Zahnbürste"/"elektrische Zahnbürste", the German translation of "(electric) toothbrush", you'll find you also get the image in fifth place. This is solely due to the fact that "elektrische Zahnbürste" occurs in the German image description (even when you look at Commons with German as the interface language, the categories stay English).
Deletion of the old-name redirect *might* put this particular image lower. But as long as the words "electric toothbrush" (and "elektrische Zahnbürste") are contained in the image description, the image will show up much as it does now. (Clustered search would address this in almost all cases, by keeping categories with few files collapsed at first.)
Andreas