Hello, all!
The notes of the hour are out now! Apologies for the delay; I wanted to get answers to a few questions that came in after the session and where I wasn't able to answer at the time before reading a link. They have been marked for translation. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2020-06-04
Thanks to Ad for saving me from myself and moving them from July to June. :)
I also thank those of you who said kind things about the hour...and who asked even hard questions in kind ways. I plan to do this again in a few months, with more notice this time.
Warm regards, Maggie
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 3:37 AM RhinosF1 - rhinosf1@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for offering to answer questions. I asked one but couldn't log onto Zoom due to being busy.
Do we know when notes of the hour will be out?
Samuel/RhinosF1
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 08:30, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed that office hours are a nice idea, although
- For privacy reasons,I don't think that they need to be on video.
Sue had them on IRC. In the Wikimedia Cafe several of us use audio only.
- I'm digesting what Maggie said about the incidents of last July.
I'm not sure that the version of events that was communicated to her captures how I would describe the multiple bad decisions that happened, and I'm not inclined to believe that the problems can be summed up as poor communications. I don't mean to put words in Maggie's mouth, and I don't think that she was trying to provide a comprehensive view of her briefing, but I also have concerns regarding what I heard in her summary, and I would encourage Maggie to probe extensively into what happened while she was on leave.
I don't know what all was going on inside of WMF, but I would have wanted an outsider -- that is, not someone inside of WMF -- to review the actions of the staff, similar to how police departments are sometimes reviewed by outside agencies after high profile incidents, and I would want the report from that review to be public. Given my perspective on what happened, I think that at least one WMF staff person probably should have been demoted or fired, and perhaps more than one, up to and including Katherine. However, I don't have enough information to decide what accountability measures should have been taken. I would have more faith in the integrity of WMF if there had been an outside review as I describe here, including public accountability for the actions of individual staff, much as we do on English Wikipedia for administrators and functionaries.
Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:30 AM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
Yes thank you very much. I really liked the sincerity and the straight
to the point amswers. It feels great to be listened at and given sincere answers.
Make this call a best practice, it rocked.
Warm regards,
Nattes à chat
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 4 juin 2020 à 22:16, Tito Dutta trulytito@gmail.com a écrit :
True, (because of connectivity issues I was disconnected for some
time).
Thanks Maggie for answering the questions and clarifying things. All
the
best and good wishes.
Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
remind
me over email or phone call.
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 01:17, Aron Manning aronmanning5@gmail.com
wrote:
Thank you, Maggie, Elena and Nick for this meeting!
The event was very well organized on the first try, focused and informative. Special thanks to Maggie for tirelessly answering all the questions
and
giving insight to the wide spectrum of challenges.
It was great to hear that transparency will be an important part of
the
processes to be developed and that the communities will be involved
in
working out the details. I think this is going in the right
direction to
establish trust and cooperation with the communities and a mutually agreeable outcome.
Thank you to all participants and I hope there will be more meetings
as
this project progresses!
Aron
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 23:24, Maggie Dennis mdennis@wikimedia.org
wrote:
We will post notes from the meeting, with the identity of
question-askers
anonymized, afterward. Questions can be submitted on Telegram [1],
on IRC
[2] or in the YouTube Chat or by email in advance to
answers@wikimedia.org
(To make sure they are presented during this meeting, please use
“Trust &
Safety” as the subject line.)
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