On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, "JP Béland" lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
"And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in countries where the law is less developed? "
As said Kevin, it is impossible to respect the law of all countries in every country (Wikipedia already fails at that in its current state by the way, with or without Wikipedia Zero). So no we cannot "just abstain from any activity which might be perceived as illegal somewhere". After that, are you suggesting we should apply the laws of some "developed" countries to all countries and just ignore the others, this is way more morally wrong in my opinion.
That being said, the law on net neutrality you cited applies to ISP, which Wikipedia Zero or the WMF isn't, so it doesn't apply to it.
But of course, we as a community and the WMF should still keep high ethical and moral standards.
JP Beland aka Amqui
I do think there is some merit in the net neutrality argument, at least sufficiently so to be open to discussion on whether or not offering Wikipedia Zero is a good thing. It comes down to the question if we believe that having a walled garden variety of internet consisting only of Wikipedia for free, and with that undermining the market position for a paid, open internet is a net positive. I'm inclined to say it is, but the opposite position, though counter-intuitive, is pretty defensible.
-Martijn
2013/8/26, Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com:
Dutch telecommunication law, article 7.4a (the net neutrality article), paragraph 3:
"Aanbieders van internettoegangsdiensten stellen de hoogte van tarieven voor internettoegangsdiensten niet afhankelijk van de diensten en toepassingen die via deze diensten worden aangeboden of gebruikt."
"Offerers of internet access services do not make the tariffs for
internet
access services dependent on the services and applications that are
offered
or used via these services."
If an isp offers Wikipedia for free, and some other internet usage not, then it has a different tariff dependent on the service that is offered.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Stephen Bain <stephen.bain@gmail.com
wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, every jurisdiction that has legislated on
net
neutrality has concentrated on preventing ISPs from blocking,
degrading or
charging extra for particular services; not one of them has a problem
with
providers giving away certain data for free.
S On 26 Aug 2013 04:51, "rupert THURNER" rupert.thurner@gmail.com
wrote:
hi,
most people know some advantage of wikipedia zero and everybody can look up the advantages by just typing wikipedia zero into some search engine. as i am not sure about the answer and anyway get asked in
rare
cases what i think of wp:zero i guess it should be best answered on the mailing list:
is wikipedia zero illegal in some countries because it violates net neutrality? and if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in countries where the law is less developed? or should wikimedia foundation apply a higher moral standard and just abstain from any activity which might be perceived as illegal somewhere?
just for the ones not so sure about net neutrality [1]: Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially
by
user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality
rupert.
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