Interesting but: "The review, commissioned by Wikimedia UK..." exactly who? Board, community, general assembly, group of members?
Kind regards
On 04/08/2017 17:32, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Ilario,
A few years ago, WMUK was required to undergo an independent governance review. The review was jointly commissioned by WMUK and WMF. The results were public.[1] That option is available for WMFR today just as it was available for WMUK a few years ago.
Andreas
[1] http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/review-urges-major-overhaul-governance-wikimedi...
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
In my opinion there is a little bit confusion.
The audit is required by someone (in this case the board) and the audit reports to the entity requiring it (the board).
To communicate or not depends on the board. If the board required it to have a clearer picture to take a decision, the board can keep it private mainly if there are some personal questions involved in the audit.
In this specific case if there is a problem between the staff and the community (as I understand) the audit cannot be managed nor by the staff neither by the community, because are the two conflictual parties and to communicate the results to both parties may revamp this conflict.
But at the same time I understand that also the board is considered untrusted by the community, so I agree that any audit will be considered invalid by every parties. In computer science this may be called "starvation condition" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Starvation_(computer_science)). A good governance, like a good algorithm, should avoid it.
The biggest problem of starvation is not the condition itself, which can be blocked somehow, but the most strange solution that people would use to solve it. Someone would unplug the power and to reset the system, someone would burn the system and someone would simple wait that the system will solve the starvation by itself.
At that point the FDC has taken the best decision, IMHO, like an external party, can unblock the starvation.
Another solution is the General Assembly, but personally I think that the silent crowd will be the most representative party in this question and in general the silent crowd will take always the most moderate position. I don't see so much moderated position to attract more consent.
Kind regards
On 04/08/2017 12:03, Gilles Chagnon wrote:
I think the two audits the board refers to as those by IDEAS.
However, except of the announcement of the final label, there was no report to the community. An audit usually comes with recommendations and a series of good points/concerns but as far as I know, no result was shared outside of the board/the direction. I can understand that some points may be confidential, but I also think that some conclusions could have been shared, provided the auditing organism had been told to write their conclusion in a suitable way.
G. ChagnonLe 04/08/2017 à 11:45, Ilario Valdelli a écrit :
Only an audit can answer. To switch from rumors to facts, this is the most appropriate solution.
It seems that Wikimedia France had two audits (but it would be interesting to know if limited only to the financial aspects) and another by the FDC.
The General Assembly can have the power to claim for an audit too, defining the auditing entity.
Kind regards
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