On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:31 PM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
Quit trying to make us TwitFaceTube. The tools we already have work just fine.
Apparently not if people go there en masse instead of using on-wiki channels.
Yaroslav
Todd
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 10:41 AM Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
I provided feedback previously on Space earlier and I could not find it
now
but I assume it was taken into consideration when the decision was taken. Without repeating it, let me remark that the two main questions, which remained unsolved, were (i) what is the target audience and (ii) what is the content to be discussed there. For (i), we have many different groups with many different interests. We have project people (editors), active
on
different projects, we have affiliate people, we have WMF people, there
is
certain overlap between these categories, but I am afraid not much. They have very different interests and vision. If I understand it correctly,
the
idea was to bridge the gap between these categories (primarily, between
WMF
and community), but it did not work - it is understandable that people
who
never edited Wikipedia and have no interest editing it, do not find a
topic
on the first Wikipedia contribution very appealing, and those for example who deal with Wikipedia as their daily job are not so keen to discuss the job on social media - I also have an exciting job but I do not have any desire to discuss it anywhere in my free time. Concerning (ii), we have people who were looking for something like social media, just to hang
out,
we had people who wanted to discuss project and foundation issues which they found important, we had people who were only posting announcements - but I do not think we had general understanding why people should come to Space to discuss, and what they should discuss. There are discussions
going
on in the projects. Meta started as a cross-product (and cross-language) discussion venue, but now it is essentially dead - I long ago stopped following my watchlist there. The mailing lists are mainly dead or at
least
half-dead. Understandably, people went to FB and Twitter - they will discover at some point that there are serious privacy issues, and, in addition, this is like Wild West where you are on your own (I had my FB account disabled for alleged copyright violations last year, and there is nothing I can do about it), but before they discover it I am not sure why they should go to any other platform to discuss - what? There might be
some
room for a social media platform run by WMF, but it should be very well discussed what exactly we expect, what we can provide, and how this can
be
done. I would recommend a community conversation - not a "community consultation", when a decision has already been taken, and the "consultation" is used to legitimize this decision, but a real brainstorming, and see what the stakeholders are and what they want. I am afraid though that it would be difficult to organize even this brainstorming and collect a sufficient number of responses to make meaningful conclusions.
(There were opinions voiced that the Space would never take off because
it
is run by WMF who would erase any criticism - well, I have not seen this happening. This would not be my concern at this point.)
Despite my skepticism, I believe that people who were running the Space
and
people who invested into the Space clearly had good intentions, and
whereas
things did not work at the end, I would like to thank them - mainly Elena and Quim I guess.
Yaroslav
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 3:35 PM Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you for all the feedback. After scanning different channels, we
have
a wide range of opinions which reflect how deep and complex the problem
of
cross-wiki collaboration is, and also how differently the Space
prototype
and this decision is being perceived. We will process this feedback and integrate it in the lessons learned. If you have more feedback or questions, please share. This conversation is important.
The channels we are watching:
https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/3184
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space#Next_steps_on_Wikimedia...
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2020-February/094269.html
and replies
https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/2699004306814050/
If you are aware of more conversations related to this announcement,
please
share them here as well.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:30 AM Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to
experiment
with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation,
and
showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this
important
goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the
Foundation
has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues
to
fill
a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue
in a
new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so
that
we may share them with the movement.
To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/
We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all
Space
users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps
to
join
us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia
Space
category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_...
[2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/about-wikimedia-space/2 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space
-- Quim Gil (he/him) Senior Manager of Community Relations @ Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Qgil-WMF
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