This conversation has very quickly veered away from the original topic and what the scope of this list is.
Seddon
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about enforcing Race as a concept.
The traits you speak of;
hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain
human populations?
Are attributes of DNA and genetics... defining them by population locations is race its used to imply superiority of one person over another. The term Fae has raised are not terms related to the science of DNA and genetics, these are terms use to justify atrocities and exclude people....
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 21:49, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
Are you actually saying that it is promoting biological racism to mention the fact that, say, skin color, hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of
certain
human populations?
Is this some kind of practical joke you are trying to play on us?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:42 AM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
What, you are really using a Wikimedia funded email list to promote biological racism? That's ... not acceptable behaviour.
Go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism.
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:37, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com
wrote:
Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not
defined
by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are different, and that some people may even be better adapted to the environment than me. ;)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s.
Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending "scientific racism" on this public list?
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between
humans,
whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy
to
point
out the differences. We should rather promote that differences
are
a
GoodThing™
Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences
should
not be
used as an excuse for abusing other people.
I'm a pink Norwegian, and I would probably die in the Kalahari
desert,
unless rescued by someone from the San people. They are so darn
cool!
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
> It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia
articles
that
> actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF
universal
code
> of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of
damaging
> anti-educational content, or require projects to take action. > > This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you
follow
> the multiple language links in each, you will find many other
language
> examples: > > [1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race"
(Негроидная
> раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics.
Nowhere
in
> the article is it explained that these are debunked racist
theories.
> > [2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid"
(Mongoloide),
> defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and
presents
it as
> a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid
race
is
> geographically spread. > > Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia > articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* > "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current
scientific
> race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to
have
> warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's
a
bad
> thing.[3] > > At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with
systemic
> racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will
take
> action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material.
The
idea
> that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that > Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in > several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of
it
or
> at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as
debunked,
> should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is
supporting
this
> content. > > Links > 1. >
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%...
> 2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide > 3. >
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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