As long as we all stay friends! On 11 Aug 2014 00:57, "MF-Warburg" mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Oh sorry, that was totally not the intention. It must be the strange beer here at the Thistle Barbecue hotel. Am 11.08.2014 00:54 schrieb "Richard Symonds" < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk>:
MF-Warburg, that came across as a bit rude... On 11 Aug 2014 00:29, "MF-Warburg" mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Your mail is embarrassing. If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you
don't
understand anything about the foundation nor the community. Am 11.08.2014 00:05 schrieb "John Lewis" johnflewis93@gmail.com:
The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not
punish
administrators. The community. couldn't take no for an answer and
what
has
happened?
- Wheel/edit wars
- A new user right to prevent disruption
- A priviledge has been revoked on dewiki
- A user has been desysoped by the community for no reason on dewiki
And who are we blaming? Erik. Why? Because we are a bunch of stubborn children. We don't get what we want so we are kicking and screaming
to
get
it but in the end; we don't and we then accuse our parent (WMF) of
being
too harsh, mean and taking away something we like but do not deserve.
To be honest - until we as a community learn we are not the
overlords,
the
masters, god of Wikimedia, we can work to building a real encyclopedia with awesome
feature
where are all work in a good environment and get on as a community
and
Foundation.
I am not saying the WMF is perfect and is not in the wrong; they
certainly
have some blame to take and I will come onto that shortly, but we can
not
blame the Foundation for revoking something we clearly do not
deserve.
Erik, While I will say you have not been communicating stuff the best
you
can and this new user right was proxy deployed by Tim and an advocate
and
not your self - you mean well and I see this. I agree with everything
you
have done so far as a matter of fact.
Fabrice, Have you attempted to start any discussions with communities
in
exactly why they don't want Media Viewer and how exactly it causes so
much
dispute that it requires Erik to proxy intervene? It not, please do
so.
In a short conclusion - I feel both parties have acted
inappropriately
and
our bitching at each other does far than solve it. The WMF had to
implement
a new right and revoke dewiki's access to their site wide js page
because
of their refusal to accept what the WMF said and want to create a performance killer hack to 'fix it' at the cost of performance. Why
did
dewiki have to do this? The WMF refusing to disable Media Viewer.
From
what
I see, the WMF have backed up by they refused to do this for
Wikipedias
and
their compromise for Commons is acceptable. I have yet to see a valid reason why Media Viewer exactly makes Wikipedia go into a 'OMG
UNUSABLE
DISABLE IT FUCKING NOW OR I WILL' state. Media Viewer allows you to
view
and images without leaving the page - reducing load time for both
users
and
the WMF. It is hardly the beginning if the end for images.
If we take a quick look at the statistics - 64 voted against Media
Viewer
on the English Wikipedia while 6kish users enabled it, this shows
1.1%
consensus for disabling the extension in a whole.
I will not ramble on any more. I just ask the community to stop
bitching
at
the WMF and accept their decision. Until then - I fully support Erik
super
protecting every single js and CSS page on every wiki as most Sysop I
feel
are technically incompetent.
John Lewis
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