Given the application got 100% of what was requested
There would be more value in duplicating the event by flying the speakers in to another location(ie SE Asia, South America) rather than which give a more diverse demographic of people having access the information. We saw this in the value of the WikiDown under tour by Andy which had a greater impact in getting WikiData better supported across multiple cities. https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikidata_Tour_Down_Under
On 29 June 2017 at 17:10, Craig Franklin cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:
I'm afraid I don't really see the logic in this. Even if we assume for a moment that the WMF is sitting on top of an enormous, inexhaustible pile of cash, it doesn't make sense that it should just splash that money around on community initiatives without carefully assessing whether it is the best possible use for that money, and whether additional cash would actually lead to increased benefits. I'm quite skeptical about the idea that flying an additional bunch of people for a holiday in Germany, at considerable expense to the movement, is really the most cost-effective way to develop Wikidata. It seems especially odd to me that one would be upset about an event like this not being adequately funded, when it appears that the organisers got 100% of the funding that they requested.
Cheers, Craig
On 29 June 2017 at 04:39, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Dariusz,
What is the point of spending the funds frugally if our mission is not accomplished? Why do we need to compare an event of this magnitude to a small chapter?
The money is there to be used, not to sit on top of it without knowing
what
to do with it. If the WMF doesn't know what to do with it, at least it should go back to the community in the form of grants like this one. And
if
that is not feasible, then it should be given back to donnors. And if
that
is not feasible, then we should stop taking so much money because it
seems
that we don't need it. Or do we?
Cheers, Micru
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl wrote:
hi David,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <
dacuetu@gmail.com>
wrote:
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are
insuficient
to
cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants
was
36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small Wikimedia chapter is, right?
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just
giving
breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in
silence
about this stinginess.
The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to
spend
the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we
try.
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything
that
the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard
seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so
supervised
that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the
community
and the FDC.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think
that
in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts
compared
to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions
with
respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely
you
will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be insignificant.
best,
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