We are getting emails at it. Try: affiliates-owner@lists.wikimedia.org - there was an extra p in the address you posted.
-greg
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On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:46 PM, reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Wikimedian Colleagues,
I tried to send a mail to affiliates-ownerp@lists.wikimedia.org but all to no avail. It seems the e-mail address is currently not working. Any help?
Olatunde Isaac. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld from Glo Mobile.
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- Re: Q1 Fundraising Update (Erik Zachte)
- Recognition of Iraqi Wikimedians (Carlos M. Colina)
- Recognition of Wikimedians of Uzbekistan Community (Carlos M. Colina)
- Please upload Wikiconference USA presentations to Commons (Pine W)
- Recognition of Wikimedia Digitization User Group (Carlos M. Colina)
- Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list (Carlos M. Colina)
- Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list (Pine W)
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:13:22 +0200 From: "Erik Zachte" erikzachte@infodisiac.com To: "'Wikimedia Mailing List'" wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update Message-ID: 007901d1074b$45c539f0$d14fadd0$@infodisiac.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I also feel disheartened about this yearly controversy, which seems to go nowhere. I also am scared by even considering https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising#/media/File:Sept2015BannerEx.png
In my opinion this very ambitious budget (maybe too ambitious if such extreme doomsday measures are needed to reach our goals), may well be putting our reputation at risk, and perhaps even alienate part of our community. "Trust arrives on foot but leaves on horseback"
So who should we address to bring about change, and set more modest goals? I belief fundraising is doing as they're told, the best they can. The Wikimedia Foundation gets a lot of flak in these discussions. But isn't WMF operating within limits set by the Board of Trustees? Lila can propose a budget, but the Board is ultimately responsible, needs to approve that budget, and can amend it.
Erik Zachte
(disclaimer: I'm speaking in my role as volunteer, not as contractor for WMF)
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Leila Zia leila@wikimedia.org wrote:
I saw that banner and I want to do all I can to help you not use it even if it performs 20% better. I put my story in p.s. so it's easier to skip for whoever chooses to skip. This is a true story. :-\
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, that banner does not reflect the values of this movement. Pure and simple; it's not a grey area, and not worth my time to discuss for the 97th time.
Personally, I long ago gave up participating in these discussions, for the most part -- because the same valid points get made over and over again, and the same *AWFUL* errors are made year after year in the fund-raising campaign.
Leila's post here is heartening, and I'm glad that somebody has the energy to articulate the concerns so well. I, myself, do not; I have simply lost faith in the integrity of the Wikimedia Foundation's fund-raising operation. I am, honestly, ashamed to tell people that I used to work in the fund-raising department there (though I believe the work we did was valuable).
I recently heard from a high-ranking executive at a software company. She told me that she had given money to the Wikimedia Foundation, and then looked into the WMF's budget, and the messages in the campaign she had responded to. The word she used to describe her feeling was "mortified." She had considered asking for her money back, but had decided against it.
Fortunately, she was sophisticated enough not apply her negative feelings to Wikipedia, but rather to the Wikimedia Foundation. But can the WMF afford to assume that will always be the case?
I endorse what Leila and Pete said above. My responses to the black banner differ in details from Leila's, but the overall impression is the same: it is fear-inducing, as though someone or something has been murdered, or is about to be. Looking at the black banner, my eyes are first drawn to the highlighted sentence, and then the one following it, about "keeping Wikipedia online and ad-free."
Of course the banner "works". But it works for the wrong reasons. (The same could be said for the #keepitfree hashtag on Twitter.) It's the result of purely Darwinian A/B testing run amok, untempered by reason and conscience. As Pete Forsyth has said: that process is broken. It seems not unlike the process by which the yellow press come up with its headlines, designed to pander to the basest, most primal instincts.
I will reiterate here that, according to the recent fundraising report[1], the Foundation took $75.5 million in 2014/2015, exactly five times what it had taken five years prior, in 2009-2010 ($15.1 million). Most organisations would see such revenue growth not as evidence of a looming financial crisis calling for desperate appeals for more cash, but as an amazing, stunning success.
Credibility, once lost, is hard to regain. So far, you have lost it only for a number of individuals, like that software executive Pete mentioned in his post. But that number is increasing, and as your bank balance grows and your appeals become more desperate-sounding, there will come a tipping point.
If you are going to ask people this December to donate money "to keep Wikipedia online and ad-free" (something that in the narrow sense costs the WMF no more than $3 million p.a.), when in reality you are shooting for $70 million to $100 million, including several million dollars for an endowment and several million more for further staff expansion, you risk doing catastrophic damage to the Foundation's future fundraising ability.
Would you like that to be your legacy?
[1] See graphic in Signpost report: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_a...
p.s. Here is the story: I open my laptop at 5:30am to check few definitions on Wikipedia for an upcoming early morning meeting. The room is dark and the only source of light is my laptop, I go to Wikipedia and I see that banner < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising#/media/File:Sept2015Banner Ex.png
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I'm still sleepy, and probably my mind is not functioning the way it normally does, nevertheless, here is what comes to my mind: I have a sudden feeling of fear. I see a very black background, and I think someone very important has died. I look a bit more, and I see some red colors, then I think something in the order of SOPA has happened. I'm getting quite nervous. I look at the text, but it's too long for me to parse it at that moment with the thoughts I have in the background. I look more at the background, I see some orange colors, some yellow colors, and a little human circled, I first think that whole color combination is a flame (red, orange, yellow, and the semi shape of a flame), then I think someone is jailed/executed. My eyes finally manage to see the right-hand-side of the page, and I see there are dollar signs and numbers. I sigh in relief, and then I get really upset (though I manage to pass that stage soon). Now, if I was not involved in the movement, I'm not sure if I would pay or not (maybe I would) seeing that banner, but because I'm in the Movement, I got really sad seeing myself going through that experience because I know more. I also acknowledge that different people have different backgrounds and experiences in life. What I see as a sign of death and war, may not be a signal for many other people (though the color black is almost universally used for signalling death), and I acknowledge that you cannot accommodate everyone. But please be aware, some people get really scared seeing this kind of banner.
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 22:18:37 +0300 From: "Carlos M. Colina" maorx@wikimedia.org.ve To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iraqi Wikimedians Message-ID: 561FFC0D.2090008@wikimedia.org.ve Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Dear all,
I am honoured to announce on behalf of the Affiliations Committee, the recognition of Iraqi Wikimedians as a Wikimedia User Group [1]. Among their goals are supporting the different Wikimedia projects in Iraq, supporting Iraqi Wikimedians, and eventually becoming the recognized chapter in Iraq. Recently, they have organized a series of workshops in Erbil to teach people about Wikipedia and how to edit it, and are currently working on flyers regarding Wikipedia and how important it is, in both Arabic and Kurdish.
Please, let's welcome our iraqi colleagues :-)
Mabrouk!!!
1:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Wikimedians
"*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 22:29:42 +0300 From: "Carlos M. Colina" maorx@wikimedia.org.ve To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedians of Uzbekistan Community Message-ID: 561FFEA6.2090709@wikimedia.org.ve Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Dear all,
I am honoured to announce on behalf of the Affiliations Committee, the recognition of Wikimedians of Uzbekistan Community as a Wikimedia User Group [1]. Among their goals are connecting the uzbek wikimedians, promote the use the different Wikimedia projects in Uzbekistan and teach more people how to contribute to them.
Let's welcome our colleagues in Central Asia 8-)
Welcome!!!
1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Uzbekistan_Community
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:35:20 -0700 From: Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com To: "Wikimedians Active in Local Regions of the United States (WALRUS)" wikimediaus-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia Mailing List Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Please upload Wikiconference USA presentations to Commons Message-ID: CAF=dyJjsG35BU2RFwq_3pcYrKxC_Ym1UQXc0Pg6A6QsOjmEv=A@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hi presenters,
Please upload your slide decks under https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiConference_USA_2015_presenta... .
Video uploads from sessions that were in rooms other than the main room will likely happen sometime in the next 7 days.
Thanks,
Pine
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 23:07:14 +0300 From: "Carlos M. Colina" maorx@wikimedia.org.ve To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Digitization User Group Message-ID: 56200772.4060109@wikimedia.org.ve Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Dear all,
I am honoured to announce on behalf of the Affiliations Committee, the recognition of Wikimedia Digitization User Group as a Wikimedia User Group [1]. Among their goals are brining together people and projects who digitize all kinds of public domain works (records, photographs, artwork, books) focusing on the practical process, as well as different alternatives for equipment (price and performance-wise), creating tutorials for different digitization projects, generating a knowledge base to outline the process of rightsclearing (which is fundamental for safely uploading works to Wikimedia projects) plus organizing workshops about the different digitization projects and methods.
Let's welcome this new Wikimedia User Group 8-)
Welcome!!!
1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Digitization_User_Group
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 00:04:06 +0300 From: "Carlos M. Colina" maorx@wikimedia.org.ve To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list Message-ID: 562014C6.4030003@wikimedia.org.ve Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Dear all,
On behalf of the Affiliations Committe, I am pleased to introduce the launch of the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list, which is basically a place for all the affiliates (chapters, thematic organizations, user groups) to discuss issues related to affiliates, make announcements to other affiliates, and collaborate on activities and community-wide events. The idea is to help facilitate the dialogue affiliates across our movement, plus collaborative discussions like community-wide activities, joint edit-a-thons, regional conferences, blog/report posts, or other communications from affiliates.
Each Wikimedia movement affiliate is allocated three spots on the mailing list. All affiliates may contact the Affiliations Committee to request additional spots if needed.
Please find a bit more information on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Affiliates_mai... and do not hesitate contacting us if you have further questions.
Regards, Carlos -- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:19:08 -0700 From: Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list Message-ID: CAF=dyJjaZutNAU63rO9jzFeVsmJVtZWYT3y_yyQK-_Lt-W_rug@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hi Carlos,
Can you clarify how this list relates to the existing chapters mailing list? (Also, please see the discussion at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Affiliates_Network#Mailing_li... ).
Thanks,
Pine
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Carlos M. Colina maorx@wikimedia.org.ve wrote:
Dear all,
On behalf of the Affiliations Committe, I am pleased to introduce the launch of the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list, which is basically a place for all the affiliates (chapters, thematic organizations, user groups) to discuss issues related to affiliates, make announcements to other affiliates, and collaborate on activities and community-wide events. The idea is to help facilitate the dialogue affiliates across our movement, plus collaborative discussions like community-wide activities, joint edit-a-thons, regional conferences, blog/report posts, or other communications from affiliates.
Each Wikimedia movement affiliate is allocated three spots on the mailing list. All affiliates may contact the Affiliations Committee to request additional spots if needed.
Please find a bit more information on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Affiliates_mai... and do not hesitate contacting us if you have further questions.
Regards, Carlos -- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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