The files were mainly kept because most of them were considered to be utilitarian objects, but IMO the rationale was correct, as all of them are modern props from the Lord of the Rings movie series.
Personally, I think it could be interpreted or construed as some kind of petty revenge from Fram on Rama (every day wikipolitics) , but technically the nominations were correct, indeed.
And it is very true that the Commons community is completely independent from the English Wikipedia, and fiercely adamant defenders of that independence. Someone being a sysop on the English Wikipedia, or on any other Wikipedia project generally count zero on content decisions there.
In this specific case, it is absolutely irrelevant that Fram is or was a sysop at wiki.en.
Best, Paulo
A sexta, 28 de jun de 2019, 15:09, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com escreveu:
I think many Commons users would be flatly insulted by the idea that they wouldn't take action against something done on Commons because an English Wikipedia admin did it. Commons is as fiercely protective of its independence as EN-WP is.
And this elides a crucial question: Were the deletion nominations largely correct or incorrect? If someone nominates a bunch of entirely appropriate files for deletion, that could certainly be construed as harassment or at minimum poor judgment on the nominator's part, but if the complaint is "I uploaded a bunch of inappropriate stuff and I got caught", that's appropriate maintenance work. So, were those files mainly deleted, or kept?
Todd
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 4:22 AM Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
Nobody seems to be insinuating that Fram is lying. It's just plain stupidity to demonize the WMF's action solely on their part of the story alone. Fram has penchant for irritating people he disagrees with and it's possible they have crossed the line.
Recently there was an AbCom case against Rama, an English Wikipedia administrator (now desysoped), Commons administrator and oversighter. While the case was ongoing, Fram began to follow this user to an extent that they began to mass-nominate for deletion the user's uploads on Commons, a behavior the user considered as stalking and harassment. Some users including myself requested that Fram stay away from Rama and their uploads. A behavior like this would normally get users blocked but nobody felt the reason to ban or blocked Fram partly because they wear
the
English Wikipedia's admin hat.
This incident is barely a month ago.
I am unsure if this form part of the reasons for the ban but I have no enough reasons to think that the ban was unjustifiable.
Regards,
Isaac
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 10:15 AM Benjamin Ikuta <benjaminikuta@gmail.com wrote:
Why do you doubt Fram? What do you think happened? And why can't the
WMF
say even so much as a, "That's not accurate."?
You really think he's just outright lying?
On Jun 14, 2019, at 4:03 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
If you really think Fram's framing of events here is even plausible, let alone the story, then you're less competent than I have
previously
considered you to be.
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 18:47, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com
wrote:
According to Fram, the WMF told him his "interaction ban" was for maintenance tagging two articles, yes (and when I looked at the
diffs,
the
maintenance tags were accurate and necessary). So, either Fram is
lying
or
omitting something (and the WMF, for whatever reason, is not
challenging
him on it), the WMF lied to Fram, or they did indeed sanction him
for
what
they told him they sanctioned him for.
Todd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 4:37 AM David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com
wrote:
and you're *seriously* positing that the WMF would ban an admin for doing only what you describe?
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:32, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com
wrote:
> > The only case of "harassment" apparently cited here was "I kept
writing
> garbage articles, and someone kept flagging them as garbage!
Harassment!
> Bad!" > > If you don't want your articles to be flagged as garbage, FIND
YOUR
SOURCES > PRIOR TO WRITING THEM, AND CITE THEM. That's rather a requirement
anyway.
> The editor in question repeatedly failed to do that, repeatedly
had
her
> articles flagged for failure to do that, and regarded that as "harassment" > rather than her own failure to follow the English Wikipedia's
policies.
> Next time, she needs to find the sources first, and write the
article
only > after she has them in hand. > > Todd > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 10:14 AM Robert Fernandez < wikigamaliel@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> If someone is able to harass someone for years and nothing is
done
then
>> clearly community procedures are not “perfectly adequate” >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11:36 AM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> This misses the point, as others have highlighted already. >>> >>> The WMF can and /should/ globally and permanently ban
paedophiles,
>>> terrorists, system hackers and people making multiple cross-wiki death >>> threats or threats of suicide. There are perfectly good and >>> understandable reasons as to why the evidence behind these
attacks
and >>> threats would be kept unpublished, it's seriously personal or criminal >>> stuff. >>> >>> The WMF making topic bans, interaction bans and limited project >>> specific bans against Wikipedians is a brand new invention,
which
goes >>> against the pre-existing understanding that the WMF do not
replace
>>> existing and perfectly adequate community agreed procedures for >>> banning bad behaviour on our projects. Once full time WMF
employees
>>> start doing in parallel what volunteer administrators already
do,
then >>> we should question why we do not *pay* volunteers administrators
the
>>> same hourly rate and we are likely to see a mass exodus of >>> administrators. After all, would you, say, deliver the post for
free
>>> in your area for fun, but thereby take away decent full time >>> employment with a guaranteed pension for your local postie? >>> >>> If the reason for the WMF stepping in to ban Fram for a year is >>> because the WMF do not trust Wikipedia administrators or
Wikipedia's
>>> Arbcom to take sensible action in harassment cases, then they
should
>>> be raising that honestly and openly with Arbcom. If the English >>> Wikipedia's policies are not fit for purpose, or implementation
of
>>> policy is incompetent, we need a much bigger discussion than
whether
>>> Fram did something so terrible it cannot be named, but oddly was
not
>>> worth a global ban but only the equivalent of a 12 month block
on
>>> Wikipedia while they are free to do whatever they feel like on
other
>>> Wikimedia projects. >>> >>> Fae >>> -- >>> faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae >>> >>> On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 15:35, John Erling Blad <
jeblad@gmail.com>
wrote: >>>> >>>> When you bad mouth other users there should be, and will be, >>> consequences. >>>> An admin got desysoped and banned after repeated warnings? So what? The >>>> only ting to be learned is that some people believe they can do >> whatever >>>> they want and it has no consequences, and other people goes ballistic >>> when >>>> consequences happen. >>>> >>>> I would have given desysoped fram and 14 days to cool off, and
if
that >>> did >>>> not work out repeated with one month. Banning someone for one
year
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