Ray, We are talking about people who on or off list threaten others to kill, maim and rape. We are talking about people associated with aggressive pov pushing and using any means whatsoever to establish their pov. There have been several examples given of this behaviour by credible people. Suggesting as you do that there is no idea that we are talking about it not where we are at.
When YOU do not know what is being discussed you either read up on it, do some research, talk to people involved or keep out of it. Suggesting that there is no clarity about such issues is exactly the kind of behaviour that makes this situation worse because it leads to more procrastination. What is needed is clarity to what extend the WMF is aware of this situation and what involvement it can have, research is needed about the extend this type of behaviour DOES affect our project and impacts the NPOV of controversial subjects. This research is needed because it will prevent people from ignoring or belittling this issue.
Thanks, GerardM
---- Superbly expressed. Some respondents demonstrate a palpable lack of perspective regarding this serious issue.
Months ago I initiated a proposal to eliminate the word "wikistalking" because of exactly the problem that has manifested in this thread: it takes a serious crime and trivializes it, fostering confusion on a subject where victims already have a very difficult time making themselves heard and believed.
With the notable exception of Gerard and a few others, this conversation is occurring on an absurd level. It's as if David Shankbone had stepped forward to announce that his car had been stolen, and responses had confused real auto theft with the game "Grand Theft Auto."
-Durova