With all due respect Pax... whilst I am fully in agreement with the concept of selecting a country with the safety of ALL participants in mind, I totally disagree with the concept of selecting a country based on "high human records" generally.
We are not serving the part of humanity that has the chance to live in countries with high human records. We are serving everyone, no matter in which country they live.
People living in those countries with poor records, already suffer from poor human rights. Why would we add to that ?
Anthere
Le 18/10/2016 à 16:00, Pax Ahimsa Gethen a écrit :
Gerard, this isn't about "holiday destinations", it's about human rights and dignity. That's why I emphasized in my original post that I'm concerned not only about the safety of conference attendees, but also about those living in the host country. The choice of a venue in a location with a poor human rights record reflects poorly upon Wikipedia/Wikimedia and our mission to share knowledge. There's a reason a number of major companies pulled their events and funding out of North Carolina after the restrictive restroom laws were passed for example...
- Pax
On 10/18/16 6:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, For me safety is to a large extend secondary to what we aim to achieve. Our primary goal is to improve on our primary goal and it is "sharing in the sum of all knowledge". It is not for going to the perfect holiday destination. Thanks, GerardM
On 18 October 2016 at 13:56, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard, could you provide some tangible examples of how other safety aspects of Wikimania would be compromised if there is any specific attention paid to the safety of LGBT+ Wikimedians? I cannot imagine how such a thing could be true.
Based on my reading, nobody in this thread has asked for the safety of LGBT+ attendees to be "prioritized" over other safety aspects. Please don't make it appear as if they have.
Thanks, Fae
On 18 October 2016 at 11:42, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, I do care that everybody can come to places where they are safe. All the specific LGBT attention to safety is however on many levels problematic when we prioritise this over other safety aspects. The big picture for me is that we need to go to places where bringing Wikipedia and what it
stands
for the most good. It is why I would go to Russia, to China to India to South Africa.
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae