Hoi, If we want to make a difference, a real difference, we enable refugees in refugee camps to edit Wikipedia. They have nothing to do, they are often well educated. It is wonderful when they can because it not only gives them something to do, it gives them a sense of self-worth and this prevents the onset of a lot of mental health issues.
Obviously this is not easy but we do not pay them directly but still make a real difference. Thanks, GerardM
On 26 February 2016 at 09:39, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
I think there are more ways of supporting volunteers than just paying them cash. For instance another option could be to offer them a place to stay, food and healthcare. That is how many volunteer programs work, like workaway or woofing, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
Would it be an acceptable compromise?
Regards, Micru
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:49 AM, David Goodman dggenwp@gmail.com wrote:
Involving the foundation as a broker would corrupt the Foundation altogether. It would in essence turn it into an advertising agency.
We're
supposed to be different from Google. Google earns money by letting
itself
be used as a medium for advertising. It at least hopes to achieve this
by
while not being evil, and succeeds reasonably well at the compromise.
Wikipedia fortunately does not need to earn money, as ordinary people freely give us more than enough for our needs, and can therefore hope
to
achieve the positive good of providing objective information on encyclopedic topics that people want to read about, not information that other organizations want people to read. We have no need to compromise.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:15 PM, SarahSV sarahsv.wiki@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <
putevod@mccme.ru>
wrote:
- Possibly POV will be compromised in paid articles.
- Unhealthy situation within the editing community. In the debates
with
WMF staff when we disagreed, I always felt awkward, because they were
paid
arguing with me, and would do it until they convince me or I give up,
and I
was doing this in my free time, and got tired very quickly. I also
had
very
unpleasant experiences interacting with some chapter people whose
only
goal
was to keep their position. They did not care about the quality, efficiency, anything, only about their personal good. And if somebody defends their personal good, you know, thy usually win, and the
quality
loses. Now, imagine there is a content dispute between a user who is
paid
(and is afraid to lose the salary) and a user who is unpaid and have
to
do
the same for free - I am sure a paid user will be way more
persistent.
​Yaroslav, we already have a lot of paid editors on the English
Wikipedia. Some are Wikimedians in residence, and this has always been regarded as okay, though I believe they're expected not to edit articles about the institution that employs them.
But we also have a lot of paid PR editing and obvious COI problems
because
of that, as well as the problems you highlight (e.g. the paid editor
being
more persistent).
Introducing the Foundation as a broker between organizations that want articles and editors who want to write them would not solve all the problems you highlight, but it would remove the COI aspect. So my
thinking
was that it would be better than the current situation.
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