Jesse Martin (Pathoschild) hett schreven:
Hello Crazy Lover,
The lack of an ISO 639 code for modern usage of Ancient Greek is only one argument, and not necessarily one I put much weight on. The policy requires that a language have living native communities to read the wiki, and that is my personal position as well. There has been a lot of discussion on this list about this requirement recently, but no consensus on any change to it and no similarly objective workable alternatives.
Well, I made a proposal, but nobody commented on it. In my opinion, it is workable. If you don't remember:
I tried to write down my very personal opinion about which languages should be accepted for new projects and which not. Read it, if you like, under: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Slomox/Languages.
I took Sater Frisian as a case, which was recently approved by the Language Subcomittee. So, we can presume, this language fulfils the criteria of the current policy on Language approval. Sater Frisian has some 1000 to 2000 speakers (some sources have numbers up to 5000, but as the policy asks for "native" speakers, speakers fully able to speak the language, we should stick to the bottom end). I took the number of 1000 speakers as a basis for my thoughts. 1000 speakers is few, but not that few, that a language with 1000 speakers has no chance to survive. So the premise of my thoughts is: any language with 1000 real speakers ("real" meaning, that you can speak the language fluently; for example I wouldn't say, my English is fluently, far away from that, so 1000 speakers who can speak their language far better than I can speak English) should be able to get its own Wikipedia. Let's make the check: Volapük will fail. Ido, Novial, Interlingua, Interlingue (all having their own project) too. Esperanto has more than 1000 real speakers. Klingon, Toki Pona, Gothic, Anglo-Saxon will all fail. Latin, Greek and Sanskrit have more than 1000 fluent speakers and would be eligible. All natural languages approved so far have more than 1000 speakers. With the sole exception of Norfuk/Pitkern with some 600 speakers. But my proposal allows for exceptions from the 1000 speakers rule, if there are good arguments. The 1000 speakers rule only applies to unique languages, so Brooklynese wouldn't be accepted. My proposal has no additional provisions on deciding whether dialects are unique languages of their own or not. This means there's no difference to the current policy based on ISO code and discussion.
I weighed the wish of the proposing community for progress in the proposal and the foundation's need to only accept viable projects. So I defined exact numbers on how long a test project should run at least, how much editors there should be at least and how much content they should have created before the project can be approved. I tried to rise the barrier as low as possible, cause I know many proposers of projects are disencouraged when there is no progress. For every type of project I defined specific requisites, cause the projects have different goals and work differently. For example for Wiktionary and Wikisource I set no 1000 speakers rule as for Wikipedia (and Wikinews and Wikibooks). See the link above for more details. I added rationales to all requisites to make them a bit more transparent.
Marcus Buck