Hello, My comments are in a personal capacity, and kindly note my posts are not directed towards anyone specifically/at all. Sincere thanks for understanding these two points.
" We recommend you to have a look at these updates before making further conclusions here. -- Thanks for the recommendation. Kindly do not assume that we are not reading the updates "before making further conclusions here".
" the Brand team has been watching the RfC and has written a summary about it" --Yes, RfC needs a closure/summary, from which we get action points. Now, there is something called WP:INVOLVED. Someone who is supporting/opposing/promoting/demoting an idea or in other words someone who is "involved" often may not close or summarise a debate/discussion with due weight to all the arguments. As a result, conclusions may be faulty, and action points may not reflect the actual opinion of the RfC. Example below.
FAQ: Why is this project moving forward after the RfC resulted in clear majority opposition? ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen... ?) -- Even after reading the answer I also don't understand "why?" A point I get there is "exploring further options". On the report page, "What is happening with the feedback?" (intended action points section perhaps) is taking me to FAQ page. From the FAQ page the last paragraph sends me back to the report page, making it a loop.
" The team has integrated the feedback of the RfC in the development process, just as we did with the activities organized by the project itself. " -- unlike other statements here any footnote or reference is not given. Would love to learn what are those activities and how was the RfC feedback integrated into the agenda/activity. (Please note that I have read the brand workshop report.)
That's all for now, with regards, and good wishes during the global pandemic time, User:Titodutta
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 14:19, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi, the Brand team has been watching the RfC and has written a summary about it [1] that was shared both in the RfC [2] and the project page [3] in Meta. The team has integrated the feedback of the RfC in the development process, just as we did with the activities organized by the project itself.
The RfC is covered in the main project page as well as in the FAQ [4]. The RfC has been a recurrent topic of discussion in the Brand project talk page [5], where we are answering questions and discussing topics whenever they are posted. We recommend you to have a look at these updates before making further conclusions here.
The RfC is about the use of the word “Wikipedia” in the name of the Foundation, and by extension the names of affiliates were discussed as well. The project team has clarified that many options for a naming convention are being explored. While having Wikipedia as a central concept is a project requirement, It is very unlikely that any naming convention proposal will be based on a simple substitution of the word "Wikimedia" with the word "Wikipedia". Brand systems offer many more possibilities.
Another important point to clarify is that the proposals for naming conventions haven’t been defined yet. According to the project timeline [6], several proposals for a naming convention will be shared with the communities for feedback in May, at the earliest. At the end of this review, one proposal will be selected and refined. You can check the timeline to learn about further phases with public reviews before the full proposal for a brand system is presented to the Wikimedia Foundation leadership and the Board.
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundat...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_mo...
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 1:12 AM David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. Who's the person telling Samir to post this stuff, which comes across as aggressively ignoring all feedback to date? Could we have a word with them here?
- d.
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 14:12, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
When you speak for someone who is hard of listening, it is an
occupational hazard that you will be shouted at occasionally by those
whose
voices are being ignored. It is not necessarily anything personal, just part of the heat in the kitchen.
Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:28 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
In all honesty, this should not have been directed at Samir. I do not
think
he has the authority to stop the process. And whoever has probably
spends
more time in Twitter that in Wikimedia projects.
Best Yaroslav
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:12 AM Tito Dutta trulytito@gmail.com
wrote:
There is something called [[WP:IDHT,]] i.e. I didn't hear that. No matter how many times, how many people (90% in the RFC) speak, I
just
didn't hear that. Kind regards, (Comment in personal capacity)
Thanks
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 00:15, Samir Elsharbaty <
selsharbaty@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hi All,
We wanted to follow up with a brief update on the project timeline
and
share an invitation to join an event this month.
We know there continues to be so much uncertainty in the world, so
we are
slowing down the process of the project. Big changes are happening
to all
of us these days. We want to make sure that we respect the time and priorities of the project collaborators. This means updating the
project
timeline approach to have more flexibility for participants and
smaller
time commitments [1], revising the project schedule month by month
and
keeping the Brand Network [2] and other participants informed on a
more
regular basis with any updates and changes. The naming discussions
planned
for April are now pushed to May, at the earliest. Design proposals
are
likewise shifted +4 weeks.
But we do have things to share:
*This month: live brand concept presentation!*
To honor, celebrate, and conclude the work around the concepts
referred
to
in Essie’s email above [3], Snohetta and the Brand Project team
will
present the Unified Concept LIVE on 16 April, 15:00 - 16:00 GMT.
Snøhetta
will explain how they used the ideas, feedback and conceptual
models
from
the workshops and online exercises to arrive at a final, unified
concept.
This unified concept will be the foundation for the upcoming work
around
the naming conventions, visual decisions, and the overall design
system.
The session will also be recorded and made available for viewing
after.
You
can join us using these links. [4] Note: this is not a presentation
of a
proposal for a naming convention or design.
Thank you!
Samir and the brand project team
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen...
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brand_Network
[3] https://brandingwikipedia.org/concepts/
[4] Join via Zoom:
https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/769565325
Steam via Youtube Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com
wrote:
The article itself is spammy brochure-style nonsense, and this is
even
after some cleanup. Editorial eyes welcomed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_%28company%29
- d.
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 23:16, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the
concerns
and
> questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and have
now
added
an > FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details about
the
block
> and what is being done. The project team is in the process of
updating
the > project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add those
pages
to
> your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest information. > > > Best, > > Samir > > [1] https://w.wiki/LEF > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator > > Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > This does have feeling of a company creating a financial
relationship
with > > the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban
thats
been
> > reviewed already. Over the years I've worked with many
users
who
been
> > blocked and help them become productive contributors but
before
they
start > > making recommendation or decisions about who we are there
needs to
be
> > something done to get them back to good standing with the
community
first > > untiil thats taken place. It's like asking the fox to
rebuild
the
hen > > house, I just dont see how I could support anything they
recommend.
> > > > After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped
into
the
2030 > > strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is that
should
have
> > been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its
comprehensible
not > > to have known or explored that before deciding where, how,
why
we
will
be > > doing anything for the next 10 years. > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard <
dgerard@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > > Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an unwillingness > > > to work with Wikipedia properly: > > > > > > > > > > >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archiv...
> > > > > > > > > - d. > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood > > > peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote: > > > > > > > > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have
seen so
far, it > > > looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on
how we
> > operate, > > > or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and
plan
to
spin > > > their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with
lots
of
buzz, > > > little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe
I am
wrong, > > and > > > they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the
outside?
Block > > > evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the
community.
> > > > Cheers, > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:
wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org]
On > > > Behalf Of Pine W > > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a
movement?
> > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed
personally
at > > > > you, Essie. > > > > > > > > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta
deserved
the
> > > > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward
of
resources > > > > (all of which are questionable), I don't think that this
project
is a > > > > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important
component
of
the
> > > > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF
rebranding
itself as > > > > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the
communities
and
> > > > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance
problems,
and > > > > occasional high profile clashes with the community. I
don't
think
that > > > > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't
involve
Snøhetta
> > > > given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia,
and
I've
been > > > > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during
the
past
few
> > > > months. > > > > > > > > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with
this
program > > > > in its current form. > > > > > > > > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and
spending
associated > > > > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view
on
whether > > > > this project should continue. If the community wants a
branding
> > > > project to continue, I would let the community decide on
the
project's > > > > parameters and budget, and what if any consultant should
be
involved. > > > > > > > > Pine > > > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
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