Lets move this along towards a solution;
Maybe the simplest solution is to create a delinker type bot that flags images which were used on Wikidata but the data item has since been deleted thus flagging the file for review on Commons.
This addresses the concerns over spam Wikidata id's being created to enable an image to be uploaded.
WD and Commons community could both request that the person emailing OTRS with permission identifies the WikiData item its intended for. Every image were permission is being received it should have an association with a WikiData item as its necessary to fill in the structured data field anyway.
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 21:41, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for this clarity Paulo. Is there a way to move more of the underlying policies onto a public wiki rather than a closed one, to limit some of this confusion?
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On Wed., Feb. 26, 2020, 5:36 a.m. Paulo Santos Perneta, < paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
The OP is misleading. The issue is not with Commons at all, but with
OTRS.
As far as I know, Commons never, ever, deleted a file which was in use in any Wikimedia project, with the notable expectation of copyvios.
Otherwise,
use in *any* wikimedia project = on scope for Commons.
Apparently some OTRS volunteers follow some outdated procedures -
including
that one related to selfies, which was mentioned - but that is a problem exclusively with OTRS. I'm part of that team, and I always had the
freedom
to decide which looked like a genuine selfie, and which was problematic
at
that (e.g., with a copyright notice at the metadata). And, as far as I know, anyone willing to help fixing those problems at OTRS is very much welcome there. When the volunteers are very few, and the ones complaining do not volunteer themselves, it only adds up to the pressure on the few existing volunteers, making everything worse.
Best, Paulo
Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net escreveu no dia quarta, 26/02/2020 à(s) 06:04:
This does seem unreasonable. Do they have an explanation at Commons? This is happening without standardising in one label Wikipedia, so it
is
jumping to quite a conclusion to assume that the issue is related. For the record, I am also opposed to rebranding to Wikipedia, but I do
not
think this issue is necessarily related. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 6:10 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on
other
projects
Hoi, Apparantly at Commons they have standardised themselves to only support Wikipedia.
At Wikidata we have people who are notable according to our standards.
We
are actively asking them for images to illustrate our information. The
best
suggestion we get is: do not ask for images because they are deleted at Commons.
When this is what awaits us when we standardise on one label Wikipedia,
it
is obvious that this is the worst scenario for the "other" projects.
The
projects who operate to different standards who have notability
criteria
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