On Sat, September 30, 2006 07:45, Gatto Nero wrote:
I'm not saying that you were not allowed to copy or to take inspiration from the other bids. I just find it sad to make it in this way.
Could you just get a reality check here, and there's also a bit of the pot calling the kettle back here. Your bid *also* copied ideas from other bids, including london's, yet you haven't seen us complain. All the bids were GFDL (because of where they were placed on meta - personally I'd have been much much happier if the bids were developed in private by the various teams and then submitted by email).
For instance; For London I added links to the articles about London on every language's wp [1] timestamped 10:56, 10 September 2006. The next evening you copied this! (21:36, 11 September 2006 [2]). Taipei waited until [3] then at 07:54, 14 September 2006 you moved your list to the exact same position [4] on the bid as ours!
On 20:10, 10 September 2006 we added a gallery of images of London already in commons [5]. A gallery was added by Taipei at 00:54, 13 September 2006 [6] but then removed in favour of including the images individually.
Or maybe I should mention the use of flags? At 18:35, 14 September 2006 [7] I added them to our bid (indeed I had to create one! [8]) yet at 05:23, 16 September 2006 there was Taiwan using them too [9]!
We were surprised though that no other bid copied our welcome in multiple languages [10] at the top of the bid (English, French, German, Italian and Japanese) to make the point that London is very much a multi-lingual city as we believe that Wikimania should reflect the babel of languages that are spoken world-wide.
There are other examples too of bids taking ideas from each other (but I don't intend to go through every diff - life is too short) but the point is Wikimania - like all the other WMF projects - is a collaborative thing too. I found it very flattering that many of my ideas were copied quickly - it is the 'wiki way'.
Alison Wheeler
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/London&diff=n... [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/Torino&diff=n... [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/Taipei&diff=n... [4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/Torino&diff=n... [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/London&diff=p... [6] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/Taipei&diff=p... [7] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/London&diff=n... [8] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Icons-flag-eu.png [9] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/Taipei&diff=n... [10] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimania_2007/London&diff=n...