On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. We should definitely lay the groundwork well, as Ziko says. But there are good projects underway today and doing this, in spanish, french, and dutch. Some of the organizers of those projects have contributed to the Wikikids proposal on meta. We can start by directing energies there, finding out what Vikidia has learned running projects in French and Spanish, what their standards for project-creation are, and how we can help them.
If we want to go this way, our task will be complex. I don't think that we should be afraid of it, but I think that the most of participants are underestimating its complexity.
There are a number of important questions to be answered before start of such project: * Do we have a consistent pedagogical platform for creating such project? * How can we be sure that we will have enough relevant pedagogues per project? Would we pay them? Or would we create projects with other organizations to have them payed? * Who will be the main editors of the project? Children of any age? Or parents? If parents, I am deeply concerned which social and ideological groups we would attract. * Is it possible to have such Wikipedia-like project, where communities are doing self-regulation? My assumption, based on 6.5 years of Wikimedian work, is that it is not possible. (To be more precise: Project per se could be successful in gathering editors, but it will end as Simple English Wikipedia or as Conservapedia.) * Would it be better to find volunteers or hire someone to create a project similar to the printed edition of German Wikipedia? First to create "illustrated Wikipedia for children", then to create Wikipedias for every age of cognitive development. * Do we have any clue how crowd sourcing will work with ages between 8 and 15? Even though it would be regulated by pedagogues. * How group dynamics would look like inside of the project with 8 years old and 15 years old? * How many pedagogues are able to drive this kind of project? In our civilization, pedagogues are product of Industrial Age education and they are doing Industrial Age teaching, which is in collision with open culture. I think that the right time for relatively open, mass collaboration project will be when those born in 1995, generation grown up on Wikipedia and open culture, become pedagogues. Around 2020. (I am not saying that there are no pedagogues able to do this. However, we don't need a couple of pedagogues, we need strong pedagogical basis to have possibility to create such kind of project.) * etc.
We are all amateurs in cognitive development. My two exams in this field makes me an expert on this list. And we don't need just professionals, but extraordinary professionals. And those professionals have to be introduced well in Wikimedia culture.
But the teachers there also asked for a simpler-language project in Spanish, and a simple project in English to help students with language learning.
In Serbian we say "you are mixing grandmothers and frogs" :)
I would add one more important implementation of simple-like project: Controlled language [1] project. It would allow much easier translation between languages.
But, those are three different implementations. We would need "Wikimedia for children", "Wikimedia for learning languages" and "Wikimedia for machine translation".
[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_natural_language