On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, 14:05 Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Who are the list mods?
The current list admins are John Vandenberg, Shani Evenstein, and I.
Unfortunately, this is not made clear at
That is indeed unfortunate! It *used* to list explicit email addresses of the admins. I'll see if there's any setting that can be changed.
In line with what you say here, a track record that, say, included
deliberately misusing administrator or checkuser tools on Wikimedia projects, should certainly be considered a trust problem.
Agreed.
A.
Thanks, Fae
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 11:56, Asaf Bartov asaf.bartov@gmail.com wrote:
I would say first and foremost, good judgment. As measured by the
person's
track record on-wiki and on this list.
Preferring to err on the side of caution, people under community
sanctions,
or who have themselves been moderated for on-list misconduct, need not apply.
A.
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, 12:58 Peter Southwood <peter.southwood@telkomsa.net
wrote:
Asaf, What are the criteria for eligibility as moderator for this list? Cheers, Peter
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Indeed, there is a potential conflict of interest here. This is why I strongly tend to leniency, *especially* when unacceptable discourse coincides with criticism of the Foundation. In this case, we received requests from two list subscribers to moderate Dan. We did so, while underscoring that it was *not* for criticizing the Foundation.
I think I have something of a track record of supporting open debate
and of
encouraging and engaging with criticism of the Foundation. I think
there
is indeed plenty to criticize; the Foundation is far from flawless.
But people don't have to endure coarse language and vitriol at the same time. By all means, express disappointment, lack of confidence,
suspicion,
whatever, but do it in a civil manner. Dan can continue to do as
well, of
course. I have already let one message of this through moderation.
All that said, it would of course have been better if we had a couple
of
list-admins more, without ties to the Foundation, so perhaps it is
time to
recruit them. Is anyone interested?
A.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:56 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com
wrote:
Erm, wait. He said what, "fart"?
It's not a particularly good look for a WMF employee to be moderating someone critiquing the WMF, especially when, while their statement
may
have
been strongly worded, it used pretty mild language. This should
either be
undone, or at least decided upon by someone who doesn't work for WMF. That's a substantial conflict of interest.
Todd
On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM Asaf Bartov asaf.bartov@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Wikimedians,
List subscriber Dan Szymborski has been placed under moderation,
due to
posts with unacceptable language.
I remind everyone that criticism is appropriate and welcome on this
list,
so long as it remains civil and respectful of the people involved.
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