Thanks for your very useful thoughts, Samuel. They lead us to these two key questions:
- Create new Wikipedias, or a new project: What would make sense? If they were new Wikipedias, we would potentially double the list with interwiki links ("in other languages"). I prefer a new project.
- Scope and name: Maybe it would practically make no big difference whether the project is called "simple" or "for kids". Poor readers and adult beginning readers (natives or not) tend to read texts that are meant for children anyway. It could make a difference in promoting, though. A scope question can also be whether certain kinds of explicit images are allowed.
Before beginning such a project, it may be good to have a more elaborate concept than there has been when the Wikipedias started. But even before that, the Foundation should tell whether such a project has any chance to be accepted, or will be banned for being essentially Wikipedia in already existing languages.
Hey, I just googled and found that there is already a proposal at Meta. :-)
Kind regards Ziko
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/wiki/Wikikids
2010/6/24 Samuel J Klein sj@wikimedia.org:
Hi Ziko,
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@googlemail.com wrote:
In the discussion, the question of creating a Wikipedia in simple German came up.
This would be useful.
As we know, to-day Wikimedia language committee policies prohibit a new Wikipedia in a language that already has a Wikipedia.
To be more precise: the language committee was tasked with determining when to start new language projects. It was never asked to consider other sorts of new projects. So either "simple German" is a new language, or it's out of the current scope of the committee.
Overall, we've never decided whether a "simple" or "children's encyclopedia" should be a separate project with its own root domain, or another set of 'languages' that show up as an interlanguage link or as FOO.wikipedia.org .
The existence of a Wikipedia in simple English refers to the fact that it had been created before that policy of 2006.
Simple English is quite useful, and used for groups developing their literacy skills at all ages, including many communities learning English as a Second Language. Presumably the same could be true of any other language.
There are a number of ideas and initiatives to create online encyclopedias in "simple language", in and outside the Wikimedia world. Wouldn't it be suitable to reconsider and try to give those initiatives a place? Who else is more capable to create and support such encyclopedias than we are?
+1
My thoughts:
- I would love to see similar projects in at least German, French,
Spanish, and Dutch -- languages in which there are already communities working on encyclopedic knowledge in simplified language.
- We should have a new process for requesting a simple-language
version of a project.
- We should resolve standard practice for naming them, and decide if
this should be a new top-level Project (like wikikids) or a variation on the normal language code.
Considering the historical role of the children's encyclopedia, we might consider rescoping "simple" as "for children" -- this could help to increase participation and use, and clarify the role of these projects.
SJ
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