Hello Robert,
Responding to your last commetn first:
Most groups are desparate for fresh blood and new ideas, and by killing that avenue completely, it will have an overall chilling effect on the rest of all Wikimedia projects. The current success of Wikipedia and other related projects is attracting many new people, and there should not be an elite attitude that somehow these new "recruits" are somehow less valuable. That some of their energies could be redirected, perhaps, but don't stop the process completely.
This is exactly right. Most of the new project ideas actually can be fitted neatly into existing projects; but this is rarely obvious to the newer community members who have not considered all of the facets of those projects.
Erik Moeller wrote:
Please be advised that I have posted a proposal for a new project. The proposed name is Faith Wiki. The address is http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects#Faith_Wiki
What is the justification for a new project?
We tend to be so combative when new projects are suggested! New projects do not need to *justify* themselves as much as they need to clarify what they would be about. It is rare that a new project idea has no encyclopedic or free-knowledge merit at all; as a community we should make an extra effort to find that merit and encourage it.
Most projects could be fitted into the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject]] mold; but first those who understand the workings of Wikipedia need to understand what is in the proposer's mind.
On 6/28/05, Robert Scott Horning robert_horning@netzero.net wrote:
I think it is time to have a serious meta-discussion regarding what it going to take in order for the Wikimedia Foundation to accept a whole new project, and what guidelines should be in place
This is already slightly off-target. Long before asking the Foundation whether it would like to accept or bless a new project, project proposers should be responded to by members of the existing projects. Active users should identify how and if the proposal can be made a subproject of an existing project. This requires no input by Foundation officials.
That said, there is no question that the new project proposals page is getting swamped. When someone submits a new proposal, s/he is usually very motivated to respond to questions and jump through hoops. We should clarify what an informative way to present and specify a new project is.
- Project description template filled out, including:
** More detailed project propsal made on a separate article on meta ** Sample "front page" of what the project would look like ** Licensing issues in the disucssion, particularly if not GFDL ** Technical requirements, including changes to software
NB: usually these changes are nice, but not necessary prerequisites.
** Funding sources to help with basic startup costs, or who might be
- Sponsorship of proposal by MediaWiki users.
You mean Wikimedia :-)
** A "threshhold" value be established before projects can move beyond ** Advertisement of the proposal, on this list as well as in other forums ** Respond to comments regarding proposal
- Review by "proposal committee". This is a new step, but I am
suggesting that a group of "veteran" Wikimedia (from all projects) users
This is basically a great idea; though it need not be veterans, just users who care about new project development; and it need not be a formal committee with elections and terms, just an interest group of people who actively care for incoming proposals.
**Suggest to the project proposer ways to help improve the proposal **It would also be the job of this group to cull out and remove languishing proposals on a the new proposal page, subject to general **Establishing a new "accepted project" page to (hopefully) get wider review by the Wikimedia community of projects that have passed the new ** The proposal committee would be doing some of the advertising at this point, including front-page meta links to the new proposal, and formal ** It should be possible for a proposal to die at this stage as well, although a good proposal with popular support should survive this stage.
I don't think *any* proposal should end in 'death'; as the process moves forward, more and more of the proposer's ideas should make their way into other projects.
/Perhaps/ a FaithWiki will eventually be recognized as a necessary separate project; but first the suggester might contribute to the Religion wikiportal on En http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Religion Then he might create a WikiProject for "Religious History" on EN:WP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject#Religion Finally, if Sean Tuvey and others want to compose a collection of essays offering overviews of existing faiths and religions, they could produce a Wikireader (on WP) or a Wikibook on the subject, densely hyperlinked to encyclopedia articles.
- Formal presentation to the Wikimedia board. While board members can
- The project has been accepted and is a peer to existing MediaWiki
projects. Server space is found and content is being added to the new
The board doesn't need to be involved unless there is somehow a need for a separate domain name, which is rarely the case even for good project ideas.; and 'new server space' is rarely an issue.
This thread should be moved to a suitable page on Meta, and elaborated on.
SJ