Milos Rancic wrote:
My opinion is that the discussion list of PVC should be this list, foundation-l. PVC should take care about preparing documents for talking here and for summarizing them. Everything between should be discussed here. (Maybe PVC should define a couple of its own meta-rules without public and to present it; but I am not sure about that. I see non-public talks of PVC only as a possibility for talking without noise because of productivity. All *important* things should be solved publicly.)
A closed mailing list, and closed wiki will still be essential to the functionality of both the provisional and operational Councils. If the discussions of the VC become too open there is a strong risk that every attempt by individual members at consensus building will be publicly interpreted as a hard position of the entire Council. In reality all that the member may be suggesting is a word that could better express an idea.
There is also the likelihood that Council members will be exposed to personal information. This could happen when a new person is nominated for membership, and a member may have specific and serious doubts about that candidate. I don't think that it is at all helpful to discuss that kind of thing in public when so much of the comments are speculative, or others are making a show of their personal dislike of some individual.
The margins of the public and the private will need to be developed. Clearly we need to take direction from the communities about the general issues, and when proposals have been drafted the communities need to have a time to react before the proposals are enacted. If the outcry is serious the Council will often need to reconsider its decisions. When proposals have been presented at a generally accessible and well advertised site, and no responses are received at all, Council should be safe to conclude that there is consent.
At this phase, we need people who are able to spend some time and organize talk here. So, yes, we need Lodewijk, but I am not sure how many people are needed now for representation. While we will talk (here) about a (more or less) real representative body, we (PVC) are not a representative body. But, it is true that we represent different ideas of organization.
Because of that, I would call all people who are interested in this issue to watch this list and to participate whenever they think that they have to say something. I am sure that we will consider every constructive input.
Yes, but the Council members will still need to build techniques for improved communication with the general editorship.
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