Hi Sydney,
I think that if individual communities create a consensus to mandate training, or if arbitration committees issue that mandate on particular wikis, that's completely fine and good. I'm hesitant to say that WMF should wield a stick to mandate this kind of training for administrators on all wikis until we know that the training is successful; otherwise WMF might push out a set of training with high cost and low effectiveness that would quickly be resented by the community and make any further development in this area nearly impossible.
I could see mandatory training happening further down the road, and it might be a very good thing, but there are important steps before we make that decision.
Pine
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.poore@gmail.com wrote:
My suggestion is to come up with a general type training that can work for all administrators and functionaries since all have the freedom and permission to do all types of work on WMF projects. And that training should be mandatory.
Then people who are focusing on a particular type of administrative or functionaries work can take more advanced courses that could be mandatory for doing some types of work.
Sydney
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Sydney,
Thanks for that link. I think that for now I would suggest avoiding making the training mandatory because we won't know how successful it is until after we've used it for awhile. After the training has been tested and refined based on feedback, and if the consensus is that the training is helpful, then at that point we could consider making this a required annual training.
I could foresee is that, on wikis that have arbitration committees or other systematic ways of dealing with administrators who mess up, the ArbComs and/or the community could say that those administrators who have demonstrated weakness in areas that are addressed by the training will be required to take or re-take the training as a condition of keeping their admin permissions.
My hope is that the training will be of such good quality, and so interesting and useful to administrators, that many administrators will *want* to take the training or at least be curious enough to try it. Big carrot, small stick. We can escalate from there if the training develops a track record of success.
I would think of success as being measured in two ways: administrators' feedback about the training shows a consensus that they found it helpful, and communities report higher levels of satisfaction with their administrators as shown in the difference between surveys that are done before on multiple wikis (1) before the training starts and (2) after 6 or 12 months of the training being rolled out.
Comments welcome, including suggestions about how to measure the success of the training.
Pine
On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.poore@gmail.com wrote:
Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight suggested Annual Training during the Harassment Consultation, 2015.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Harassment_consultation_2015/Ideas/Annual_tr...
If you've not seen it, it is worth your time to read the talk page discussion.
Sydney
Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wiki Project Med Foundation WikiWomen's User Group Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore
On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I have created
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Training_for_administrators and would welcome feedback there.
On the subject of block evasion, I have some ideas but would defer to our experienced CheckUsers.
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