When you speak for someone who is hard of listening, it is an occupational hazard that you will be shouted at occasionally by those whose voices are being ignored. It is not necessarily anything personal, just part of the heat in the kitchen. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:28 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
In all honesty, this should not have been directed at Samir. I do not think he has the authority to stop the process. And whoever has probably spends more time in Twitter that in Wikimedia projects.
Best Yaroslav
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:12 AM Tito Dutta trulytito@gmail.com wrote:
There is something called [[WP:IDHT,]] i.e. I didn't hear that. No matter how many times, how many people (90% in the RFC) speak, I just didn't hear that. Kind regards, (Comment in personal capacity)
Thanks
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 00:15, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi All,
We wanted to follow up with a brief update on the project timeline and share an invitation to join an event this month.
We know there continues to be so much uncertainty in the world, so we are slowing down the process of the project. Big changes are happening to all of us these days. We want to make sure that we respect the time and priorities of the project collaborators. This means updating the project timeline approach to have more flexibility for participants and smaller time commitments [1], revising the project schedule month by month and keeping the Brand Network [2] and other participants informed on a more regular basis with any updates and changes. The naming discussions
planned
for April are now pushed to May, at the earliest. Design proposals are likewise shifted +4 weeks.
But we do have things to share:
*This month: live brand concept presentation!*
To honor, celebrate, and conclude the work around the concepts referred
to
in Essie’s email above [3], Snohetta and the Brand Project team will present the Unified Concept LIVE on 16 April, 15:00 - 16:00 GMT. Snøhetta will explain how they used the ideas, feedback and conceptual models from the workshops and online exercises to arrive at a final, unified concept. This unified concept will be the foundation for the upcoming work around the naming conventions, visual decisions, and the overall design system. The session will also be recorded and made available for viewing after.
You
can join us using these links. [4] Note: this is not a presentation of a proposal for a naming convention or design.
Thank you!
Samir and the brand project team
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movemen...
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brand_Network
[3] https://brandingwikipedia.org/concepts/
[4] Join via Zoom:
https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/769565325
Steam via Youtube Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
The article itself is spammy brochure-style nonsense, and this is even after some cleanup. Editorial eyes welcomed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_%28company%29
- d.
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 23:16, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the concerns
and
questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and have now
added
an
FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details about the
block
and what is being done. The project team is in the process of
updating
the
project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add those pages
to
your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest information.
Best,
Samir
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com
wrote:
This does have feeling of a company creating a financial
relationship
with
the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban thats
been
reviewed already. Over the years I've worked with many users who
been
blocked and help them become productive contributors but before
they
start
making recommendation or decisions about who we are there needs to
be
something done to get them back to good standing with the community
first
untiil thats taken place. It's like asking the fox to rebuild
the
hen
house, I just dont see how I could support anything they
recommend.
After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped into
the
2030
strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is that should
have
been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its
comprehensible
not
to have known or explored that before deciding where, how, why we
will
be
doing anything for the next 10 years.
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com
wrote:
Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an
unwillingness
to work with Wikipedia properly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archiv...
- d.
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote: > > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have seen so
far, it
looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on how we
operate,
or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and plan
to
spin
their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with lots
of
buzz,
little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe I am
wrong,
and
they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the outside?
Block
evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the
community.
> Cheers, > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:
wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org]
On
Behalf Of Pine W > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a
movement?
> > Hello, > > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed
personally
at
> you, Essie. > > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta deserved
the
> community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward of
resources
> (all of which are questionable), I don't think that this
project
is a
> good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important component of
the
> Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF rebranding
itself as
> the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the communities
and
> affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance
problems,
and
> occasional high profile clashes with the community. I don't
think
that
> the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't involve
Snøhetta
> given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, and I've
been
> unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during the past
few
> months. > > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with this
program
> in its current form. > > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and spending
associated
> with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view on
whether
> this project should continue. If the community wants a branding > project to continue, I would let the community decide on the
project's
> parameters and budget, and what if any consultant should be
involved.
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