Thanks for your thoughtful answerrs, which are certainly enlightening. I tried it again today, this time to translate an article from English to Dutch. Again, the same problem with the infobox and lead image, but there was a gallery that popped over and I was quite pleased with that. I published the article with no categories, because the categories didn't line up this time as they did in the Spanish-Dutch case. Thinking over my experience, I would prefer you incorporate the Wikidata item info to build the infobox, rather than the source article. This would be a good trigger for people to update the Wikidata item should they notice any differences. I was working on a painting, but a generic biography infobox has already been done with the PrepBio tool (from Magnus) so you could use that: https://tools.wmflabs.org/magnustools/prepbio.php
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Hi Jane,
Thanks for trying ContentTranslation and providing feedback. Replies inline.
I decided to translate a short article from Spanish to English
Currently the extension is configured for translation *from* English, but not *to* English. This will probably be changed soon to allow translation to English, but there will be a proper separate announcement about this.
Then I tried to enable it for my 'Dutch userpage and got the extension up and running for Spanish-Dutch but couldn't find
which
link was the "from" link and the "to" link (a couple of tries and I got
the
dashboard up and running).
The easiest ways to open the dashboard are:
- Hovering over the Contributions link at the top personal bar and
clicking "Translations". 2. Opening the article that you want to translate and finding the language into which you want to translate in the interlanguage links list. (It's guessed automatically; for example, it's suposed to appear there if you selected it in ULS.)
Then I found myself in the Visual editor
It's not *the* VisualEditor, but *a* visual editor - a very simple WYSIWYG editor. (It's possible that in the future it will be *the* VisualEditor, but there's no solid plan for it yet.) There are several reasons for doing it this way, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation/Documentation/FAQ .
and tried to wikify some text with no luck.
It doesn't support wiki syntax, as explained above. It supports simple formatting and adding links (the links support is being rewritten right now to be more stable and intuitive). Because it is not supposed to be a full-fledged article editing environment, it only provides the most basic formatting tools. For full-fledged wikification you can use the wikitext editor or the VisualEditor, whichever you wish.
I then clicked on one of the reference links and lost my work.
This is definitely a bug! Usually references work pretty well. Sorry about that. Which article was it?
I restarted the page and saved some basics, but was disappointed that there was no translation of the infobox or the image, which was what I was hoping for.
We don't support infoboxes yet. It's very challenging technically, so for now we just ignore them, but we hope to have support for them in the future. Currently, ContentTranslation is mostly for the articles' prose, links, categories and images.
It is supposed to support images. In fact, in the real-life demos that I'm doing it's the feature that experienced Wikipedians usually love the most. Unfortunately, it cannot support an image that is a part of an infobox.
Thanks for all of your work on this, because I do believe translating existing content is a direction that I personally want to take in the Wikiverse in general.
Thank you very much again for the testing and the feedback! We'll do our best to address the bugs.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2015-06-05 12:41 GMT+03:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
Amir, This tool is great in theory and sounds wonderful but I am personally having some trouble putting it into practice.The short video was VERY helpful, but I am afraid I still ran into some problems on my second attempt at a translation. Here is a roundup of links:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Content_Translation_Scre...
I decided to translate a short article from Spanish to English but since
my
Spanish is almost zero I first tried to change the translation interface
to
English but no luck. Then I tried to enable it for my 'Dutch userpage and got the extension up and running for Spanish-Dutch but couldn't find
which
link was the "from" link and the "to" link (a couple of tries and I got
the
dashboard up and running). Then I found myself in the Visual editor (yikes!) and tried to wikify some text with no luck. I then clicked on
one
of the reference links and lost my work. I restarted the page and saved some basics, but was disappointed that there was no translation of the infobox or the image, which was what I was hoping for.
Here's the original:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_sala_del_concejo_del_ayuntamiento_de_%C3%81...
Here's the result (all I got was the Wikidata item link, lead sentence
and
the category) https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raadskamer_in_het_stadhuis_van_Amsterdam
Wikimagic added the Dutch infobox already, but shouldn't this be possible to do from the dashboard?
Thanks for all of your work on this, because I do believe translating existing content is a direction that I personally want to take in the Wikiverse in general. Jane
Thanks, Jane
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
[ cross-posted to MediaWiki-i18n, Wikimedia-L and Wikitech-L ]
Dear Wikimedians,
The 2000th article that was written using the ContentTranslation
extension
was published today.
Article #2000 was translated from English to Greek, and it's about
Škocjan
Caves, a UNESCO World Heritage site in Slovenia.
Original: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0kocjan_Caves Translated:
https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A3%CF%80%CE%AE%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%B1_%CF...
In case you're wondering what ContentTranslation is, here's a brief summary: ContentTranslation is an extension that helps Wikipedia
editors
to
create articles quickly and easily by translating them from other languages. It's being developed by the Language Engineering team. Its design started in the summer of 2013 and its coding started in early
You can find more info at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/CX as well as
in
the following blog posts:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/01/10/content-translation-beta-coming-soon/
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/04/06/content-translation-improved-my-edits/
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/04/08/the-new-content-translation-tool/
Some more data about ContentTranslation:
- Our first deployment was in mid-January to Catalan, Spanish,
Portuguese,
Esperanto, Norwegian Bokmal, Danish, Indonesian and Malay. Now we
support
43 languages, and this number is growing every week as we extend the deployment (a special thank-you to the Ops and Release Engineering
people,
who continuously and tirelessly support our deployment effort).
- In all the Wikipedias in which ContentTranslation is deployed, it is
currently defined as a Beta feature, which means that it is only
available
to logged-in users who opted into it in the preferences.
- The 1000th article was written on April 10th, so it took much less to
get
to 2000 than to 1000.
- The language into which the most articles were translated is Catalan:
- The Catalan Wikipedia community always had a strong inclination to
translation, it was the first one that volunteered to test the tool in
labs
in the summer of 2014 and provided a lot of useful feedback, and it
also
has good machine translation support thanks to the Freely-licensed
Apertium
engine.
- The second most popular target language is Spanish. It started slowly
in
the first couple of months, but it's quickly growing since March.
- Other target languages that are quickly growing lately are French,
Portuguese and Ukrainian.
- The language from which the largest number of articles is translated
is
English. It is followed by Spanish, from which a lot of articles are translated to the closely related Portuguese and Catalan.
- The total number of people who published at least one translated
article
into any language is 663.
- Of more than 2000 articles that were created, about 60 were deleted,
so
we have a reason to think that the quality of the created articles is pretty OK.
- In Catalan we see that ContentTranslation has some influence on the
number of articles created per day - it was usually between 60 and 90 before 2015, and in January and February it was over a 100. It's too
early
to say how does it influence other languages, but we are optimistic ;)
- A community discussion about enabling the tool in the French
Wikipedia
ended with 50 "votes" in support of the tool and 0 "votes" against it
;)
Some of our plans for the coming months are:
- Enabling more languages, including big ones like English, Russian and
Italian, as well as right-to-left languages.
- Improving the support for links.
- Creating support for smart suggestions of articles to translate, as
well
as "task lists" for translation projects.
- Starting to get the tool out of beta status :)
I'd like to thank all the Wikimedia volunteers around the planet who
are
participating in this effort by translating articles, translating the extension's user interface, testing the tool, assisting other
wikipedians
to translate, organizing translation workshops, reporting useful bugs, submitting patches, and generally proving day after day what an
incredible
community they are - hard-working, massively-multilingual, helpful, patient, creative and talented.
Thank you - we have a lot more to achieve together \o/
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