Hoi, So in essence you want to promote what we do, what we stand for. That is a splendid idea. :) Particularly in the countries were we are not known, where our notions are foreign, we need to explain our ideas about encyclopaedias, knowledge,,, and particularly community. This is where marketing would make a difference :)
There are many things that I think are good... I like for instance the blog aggregator, the blog, both the Wikipedia Weekly and the Not the Wikipedia Weekly., there is Wikizine ... I would not be surprised that similar things happen in other projects.... I would love to see a mash up of all the good ideas, all the good work ...
The question would be, how good a job do you want to see done ...
Thanks, GerardM
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, One of the wiki things is that you do NOT have to have your house
completely
in order, it is ok that you are working on it...
Correct. But I am not suggesting a "wiki movement". I am suggesting that the organizations currently dedicated to support the wikimedia projects get a publicly visible site where they can explain what they are doing to help the wikimedia projects and where they can share practices and attract more good will and support.
We are clearly trying to do
our best and I expect that we will never find it good enough. When this means that we should not reach out, when it means that we cannot be part
of
the wiki movement, I would consider it a tragedy, a lost opportunity ..
in
some way a failure.
I did not call this "wiki movement". See the object of this message. It is explicitely called "wikimedia mo(typo)vement". Now, if the term "movement" is being a problem to you, we can call it "wikimedia network" or even "wikimedia organizations network".
When the idea is to improve our WMF communications ... sure ... who is included ? what is the aim ?
The idea I have in mind is not to improve WMF communications (whatever this might means). The idea is
- to explain what we do and how we do it
- to share ideas and practices amongst ourselves
- to attract new volunteers
ant
Thanks, GerardM
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
In the Wiki movement the Wikimedia Foundation, its projects, its
chapters
are vitally important. When you want to call this a movement however,
it
is
equally important to reach out and recognise the part other
organisations
and projects play.
When you call it the "Wikimedia movement" and invoke trademark rules to exclude, as a movement it will be limited. Its potential relevance
limited.
It is for this reason that I suggest to be clearly inclusive or
exclusive.
When we choose to be exclusive, there is still room for a wiki
movement,
it
saddens me that the "Wikimedia movement" will be as a consequence less relevant in this wiki movement.
I think that the situation is complex. We have a need to make wider movement, while we didn't solve problems in our house. So, maybe the time is to make something which wouldn't pretend to call itself as a "movement", but to make communication between different organized groups inside of Wikimedia better, as well as their presentation to outsiders. When we put it at the legs, we would be able to think about free knowledge movement.
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