Hi Russavia,
whether or not you are right, please note that you are apparently considered a troll by the Dutch community, which might have influenced the exchange.
(I did not read up much on the affair, but I think this is a relevant observation in general).
Best, Lodewijk
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
It is with some degree of sadness that I have to bring this to wikimedia-l, but it's something that has to be done I am afraid
In December 2011, I dealt with an OTRS complaint by an individual relating to a photograph of her which was being used in her articles on Wikipedia. She was not happy with the image.
Inline with the WMF Resolution dealing with images of living people,[1] I followed: Treat any person who has a complaint about images of themselves hosted on our projects with patience, kindness, and respect, and encourage others to do the same.
The image[2] was removed from the article and replaced with another suitable image. The subject also provided another image via OTRS.[3]
Fast forward to November 2014, and on Dutch Wikipedia an editor known as "EvilFreD" performed what is known as BTNI reverts over numerous of my edits going back several years. It's one of the most pathetic policies on any project, which basically says that with no thought on how poor an image is, it should never be replaced without two months of mindless discussion.[4]
EvilFreD has left a message on my talk page and I responded to him informing him of the complaint about this image.[5] After my revert noting BLP, another admin, MoiraMoira has left a message on my talk page.[6] Given the timeframe (2 minutes) it is possible she didn't see it, so I asked her to please look at the above note to EvilFreD. Her response: "Hello, I'm very clear here: this is the Dutch wikipedia. And there is no space to troll or challenge other people. If you continue this behaviour, a timeout will follow. You should know better. ~~~~"
My removal, because Moira refused to do so, is met with one of the most pathetic, trollish comments I have seen;[7] an insistence that I speak in Dutch, not English. MoiraMoira then immediately protects the article.
Is this treating people who complaints about themselves with kindness and respect? Or is there something else going on on Dutch Wikipedia that I don't care to know about? It's not the first time I have met such resistance for the removal of problematic images on Dutch Wikipedia, as was demonstrated here.[8][9]
Given the trollish nature of comments directed towards myself, and the threats of blocks by MoiraMoira if I dare to challenge them on this issue, would someone who has the patience to deal with such behaviour please intervene and deal with this issue. Be mindful, you will need to speak Dutch, and will also be willing to divulge private information from OTRS in order to satisfy the people on this project.
Also, please note, that in discussion with the subject she was fine in having the image kept on Commons, but didn't want it used in her article in the infobox. I think this is the least we can do for article subjects on our projects.
Regards
Russavia
[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Images_of_identifiable_people [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Justine_bateman_7-10-2007.jpg [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Justine_Bateman_NYC.jpg [4] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BTNI [5] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#BTNI [6] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#Bewerkingsoorlog [7] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justine_Bateman&diff=42577573... [8] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#Image_on_Prostituti... [9] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:9.000919_P...
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