Hoi, As long as there is no alternative, the current policy stands. Thanks, GerardM
On Jan 25, 2008 4:28 PM, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild) pathoschild@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, GerardM is mistaken. There is majority subcommittee agreement that this requirement (as an exception) is vague and unacceptable, and should be replaced.
He is also misusing it as an exception, as I explained below in an email I sent to a different thread (which GerardM conveniently ignored).
The exception for constructed languages that GerardM mentions is not an exception at all.
...
That phrase has been in the policy since the very beginning, before there was a requirement for native speakers. You can see this in the very first draft written on 11 November 2006, at < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy?oldid=466496
. (This draft predates my joining the subcommittee, so no
subcommittee discussion shaped it.)
That original draft reads as such: "The proposal has a sufficient number of speakers to form a viable community and audience. If the proposal is for an artificial language such as Esperanto, it must have a reasonable degree of recognition as determined by discussion."
It was then intended not as an exception, but as an _additional requirement_. The requirement for native speakers was introduced nearly a year later on 17 October 2007 (see < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy?diff=711692
). The _extra requirement_ for constructed languages did not then
exempt them from the new requirement; it was simply left behind by accident, and only noticed recently and misinterpreted.
As such, the current policy prohibits constructed languages *and* has a special requirement for them (which is contradictory, but that's because it's just an omission), it does *not* exempt them from needing native speakers.
This is the current matter of discussion: should we have an exception for constructed languages after all? If we exempt them from needing native languages, do we apply a special requirement for them or not?
-- Yours cordially, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild)
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