It is better to have no picture at all then a non-free picture, as that non-free picture is shaking the fundaments on which Wikipedia and of course the other wikimedia-projects is built. What would wikipedia be without a free license?
Some time ago there was no free text available either in the context of wikipedia. That has changed. With pictures it will change as well.
I would like to say as well that a lot of times institutions claim rights on the area of copyright they do *not* have. That is of course understandable, they want to stay in control. I would advice the italian community to seek advice from experts (maybe that could be done by the foundation or wikimedia italia?) to find our whether these claims are justifyable and whether they will stand in court as well. You prooved today that it is indeed important to have that found out. And maybe it would be better to loose a case in test tryal in court on this as to be incertain forever. I dont know, i leave that up to the legal department. but maybe we should just consider.
Lodewijk
2007/1/11, senpai wikisenpai@gmail.com:
It's the only way to have some images in the italian articles. We have a lot of restrictive legislations and we can't use the fair use. For example, we can go in a museum and take some pictures of a painting but, we can't publish into wikipedia without the permission of the "sovraintendenza ai beni culturali"; some days ago the "sovraintendenza ai beni culturali" of florance have threated us for the photos of some painting and ohter kind of arts taked into the florence's museums; perhaps will be a problem also for commons. This is the situation, we don't want to remove all the images that are into the databases becous often a picture is essenctial to understand or to describe a particular concept.
Senpai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Wales" jwales@wikia.com To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Board meeting in Rotterdam later this week
Marco Chiesa wrote:
Brianna Laugher wrote:
No projects allow NC, do they? English Wikipedia hasn't allowed them for some time.
The Italian language wikipedia allows a plethora of licenses for images, included NC, copyrighted with permission (we ask the copyright owner to mail OTRS for this) and some cases of fairuse as allowed by
the
Italian law. We do also allow PD images with are not allowed on
commons.
I am sorry to hear this, because this is a violation of Wikimedia Foundation policy. From day one, we have been the *free* encyclopedia.
The Italian community needs to work out a transitional policy to correct this problem... it will take time and a lot of work, and you will have to be gentle with people, but it is just not acceptable to have those images in wikipedia in the long run.
--Jimbo
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