On 15 feb. 2012, at 19:07, Béria Lima wrote:
Jan
Provide me a link to work and I will gladly tell on wiki how much your idea sucks and how I come up with a better one without dismiss community opinion and being condescending like you.
Actually that was not condescending (if anything: sarcasm?)
A good example of condescending would be if you cannot be bothered to address someone by their proper name (say continually calling them Jan instead of Jan-Bart) even when several people have pointed out to you what the correct name is.
Anyway, to end this thread: looking forward to your contributions on the relevant meta pages (for example: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_and_Funds_Dissemination/draft_Boa...)
Jan-Bart
Here we can't solve anything. _____ *Béria Lima
**Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 15 February 2012 16:01, Jan-bart de Vreede jdevreede@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On 15 feb. 2012, at 18:54, Béria Lima wrote:
Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I
will
not put my faith in another "great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded"
Committe.
Ok, in that case, just wait until we have all solved this without you...
When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of
how
it will going to work and most important: How much real power they will have we can talk.
Ok, it might be too late for you to influence it at that point
Until there, is just you and me talking about philosophical situations.
We
can spend all day here, but isn't going to come to any result until we
have
the data.
Lets all come up with the best solution, we will refine it over de coming years and send you the data around 2015 :)
... And quite frankly I have too much thing to do to engage in any meaningless talk. _____
I hate to say this: but you are doing quite well on the meaningless talk... (counting all your contributions to this topic on both internal and foundation).
Yes: I am being confrontational (which I almost never am). EIther help think of something that will make this work or stop repeating that it will never work (because I get it, I really heard you the first X times)
Jan-Bart
*Béria Lima*
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 15 February 2012 15:34, Jan-bart de Vreede <jdevreede@wikimedia.org wrote:
this would be called: too much drama
There is no life and death situation for "the chapters here". See my earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization...
Secondly: When faced with a life or death situation, most people try to trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: "I am going to die" for weeks on end.
In short: Come up with conditions that can make this work for you, try
to
think in opportunities rather that not think at all.
Jan-Bart
On 15 feb. 2012, at 14:47, Béria Lima wrote:
Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha? You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least
choose
the way we are going to die? _____ *Béria Lima*
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta bishakhadatta@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk <
vandijk@wmnederland.nl
> wrote:
> 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevreede@wikimedia.org: >> It is clear to me that there is a close link between the > fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of > "organising" ourselves. I am also convinced that we > > Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came > out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF > board is taking up these discussions and opens them again. > > How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a > certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)?
Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range
of
opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement.
Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally
sceptical of
extending the deadline. (I'm not convinced we will actually get more discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history
of MR
since 2010 July, when it began.
So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of discussion.
Best Bishakha
> Then we would have a more > substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a > mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals. > > Kind regards > Ziko > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland > dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter > http://wmnederland.nl/ > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe:
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