On 1 June 2010 23:39, Eugene Eric Kim eekim@blueoxen.com wrote:
pain. Hey how hard can it be to wing it?
You're confusing the agendas of a Task Force to the office hours of the strategy process as a whole. As stated at:
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Office_Hours
the goals of these office hours are to answer questions and engage in discussion. These are not formal meetings, but a designated period where Philippe and I make ourselves available to interact with people in real-time. We keep the agenda open, but at the same time, we also do our best to keep the discussion relevant. And, as with the strategy process as a whole, we've worked hard to maintain an environment of constructive, positive discourse.
Removing the ability to raise problems with a suggestion is a great way to render discourse pointless. It in effect makes a virtue of [[en:not even wrong]].
The decision to kick geniice off the channel was mine. You can read the log to see how the discussion evolved and my explanation for why I made this decision:
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/2010-06-01
I don't think foundation-l is the appropriate place to discuss these specific grievances, and I'm happy to continue this discussion on strategy wiki's Village Pump. That said, I think we have a strong record for openness and tolerance of all views, as long as the discussion has remained polite and constructive, and I'm happy to address any general questions about this here.
You have demonstrated a preparedness to shut down lines of debate you don't like. This being the case there is no rational reason why I would chose to raise issues with your actions in places where you were able to continue to take such actions.