I'm not convinced of the problem. The WMF global bans are designed to step in where community processes would not be appropriate. From their page on Meta: "global bans are carried out ... to address multi-project misconduct, to help ensure the trust and safety of the users of all Wikimedia sites, or to assist in preventing prohibited behavior". The last two reasons should not be dealt with by the community; our volunteers do not have the resources, qualifications, or liability required to deal with them. But perhaps "multi-project misconduct" could be handled by the WMF differently. Instead of imposing a WMF ban, they could build a case for a community ban, and follow that process instead. As I said though, I'm not convinced that there is a problem with how things are done currently. Some things shouldn't be handled by community governance.
Adrian Raddatz
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
How would you suggest modifying the process so that it is compatible with community governance? Note that while I'm dissatisfied with the system that is in place now, I doubt that there will be a perfect solution that is free from all possible criticism and drama. I would give the current system a grade of "C-" for transparency and a grade of "F" for its compatibility with community governance. I don't expect ether grade to get to an "A", but I would be satisfied with "B" for transparency and "B+" for community governance.
Pine
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Adrian Raddatz ajraddatz@gmail.com wrote:
Wikimedia isn't a country, the global ban policy isn't a law. Any such metaphors are honestly a bit ridiculous. The WMF bans are, for the most part, sensitive. And that means that they all need to be, because if you have a list of reasons that you can disclose, then any bans without
comment
are going to be on a very short list of quite serious reasons. Plus, the ones without a reason would still have the "wikipediocracy-lite" crowd
that
seems to dominate this list in a fuss.
It's also worth noting that the WMF provides some basic details of global bans to certain trusted community groups. The issue isn't with
disclosure,
it's with mass disclosure.
On Feb 17, 2017 11:09 AM, "Pine W" wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I am glad to hear that WMF global bans are processed through multiple people. Still, I am deeply uncomfortable with the lack of community involvement in this process as well as the lack of transparency. In the
US
we don't trust professional law enforcement agencies to make decisions about who should go to jail without giving the accused the right to a
trial
by a jury of their peers. Unless we have lost faith in peer governance (which would be a radical break with open source philosophy) I think it
is
both unwise and inappropriate to have "the professionals" make these decisions behind closed doors and with zero community involvement in
the
process.
I am in favor of professionals working on investigations, and in enforcement of community decisions to ban *after* those decisions have
been
made by the community through some meaningful due process. I oppose
letting
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