On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi Ellie,
with donations, i was referring to the item on the linked financial report. Does it indeed include sponsorships?
I've corrected-- it should just be sponsorships.
Ellie
Lodewijk
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Ellie Young eyoung@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Thanks, it is a step in the right direction indeed. Although a bit more breakdown would be helpful,
I am working on that....
I'm guessing this also highly fluctuates year by year.
Some observations:
A huge amount of money goes into flying WMF around the world (321k
resp.
383k), which doesn't even take into account (I'm assuming) all the
hours
invested into it.
The expenses related to staff time to attend and other staff support
within
the Foundation is not accounted for here. (We have included my time, and contract staff support that we pay to assist the local team.)
I'm assuming 'donations' includes sponsorships. That amount is less
than
I
would have expected/hoped.
Not sure what you mean by 'donations'. Donors to WMF do support
Wikimania
since we heavily subsidize the event (registration fees are VERY low and don't
cover
the costs... that has been a policy to keep it very affordable. Sponsorships are from corporate sponsors like ask.com, google, wikihow, etc. These relationships are managed by me The local host team also is involved in trying to get sponsorships, which is often very difficult. I'd welcome more suggestions and help in finding more sponsors.
Registration income is low, as expected (the burden would just be moved to a different part of our movement: the community)
'wikimania direct' is quite expensive, to be honest, and much more
than I
would have expected. However, it does include catering, which is always
an
expensive chunk (5days * 1000 people will even at a quite low 30 dollar
per
day easily give 150k, not even counting the parties etc).
Catering is usually our highest direct cost. In London Wikimania '14, it was the rental of the Barbican Centre venue.
Many of these costs would still exist if you split the event up in
multiple
events spread out. WMF would still want to fly everywhere (board has to meet anyway, WMF staff wants to engage anyway, committees have to meet somewhere), catering won't be much cheaper if spread over multiple
events,
and don't underestimate the manpower it would take to organise all
those
events - relatively it may be even more.
I do think we could consider some different models for how we produce conferences that would be more reasonable cost-wise. And yes, there might be additional expense for staffing, but this could be offset depending on the format, location and size of the conference.
So looking at these figures, I can agree that it should be possible to
do
it for less, I'm less certain though whether the proposed splitting up would significantly reduce the total costs for everything that is
included
here.
Maybe we should do the "experiment" as suggested and see!
Lodewijk
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Sam Klein sjklein@hcs.harvard.edu wrote:
That's most helpful, thank you both.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Pharos <
pharosofalexandria@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks, Ellie and Chris, this historical experience should be very
helpful
for future discussions!
Best, Pharos
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Chris Schilling <
cschilling@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hey folks,
Ellie has put together a summarized budget including revenue and
expenses
from Wikimania 2014 in London[1] and Wikimania 2015[2], which
I've
gone
ahead and posted to the summary pages of these conferences on
meta.
Thanks,
Chris
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014 [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj@gmail.com
wrote:
> Itzik writes: > > > If we want to talk about the cost of Wikimania it will be
great
if
the
> WMF and the local team will share the costs. > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014/Budget > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015/Budget > > Maybe I missed something, but it's strange that such
discussion
takes
> place without a real budget breakdown. > > To summarize 2 huge event to "1$ million USD" does not make
sense.
> > Agreed 1million%. It would be important to see a rough cost
breakdown, &
> compare that to the best-budgeted Wikimanias. > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <
polimerek@gmail.com>
> wrote: > > > 2016-02-10 6:06 GMT+01:00 Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com: > > > > > FUDCons > > > > Also it is hard to compare Wikimanias with FUDCons as it is > > a) much smaller (usually bo more than 200 attendees) > > b) divided by regions - for example in 2015 there were 3
FUDCons
> > (Argentina, India, Spain) and 2 Flocks (NY and Kraków) - so
they
are
> > rather like our Iberecop or CEE meetings than the global
conferences.
> > > > Thanks. Similar to regional events perhaps, not Wikimania.
Still
worth
> comparing budgets perhaps, if available. > > But I was wondering about the trend over time: whether
extensive
funding
> during the RedHat days made the events less useful, in the
years
after
that > funding was reduced. > > > > > And also Fedora developers have many potential sources of
external
> funding > > - mainly from IT companies which uses free software and want
to
apply
for > > their specific needs and for whom they quite often work. > > > > True. But attendees to GLAM or education conferences also tend
to
have
> many potential sources of funding - mainly from archives or
educational
or > technical companies who curate knowledge or develop education
tools.
And
we > have IT industry partners who are similarly willing to support Wikimanias. > Not entirely dissimilar. > > > > But anyway, Fedora offers scholarships for attendees, see: > > > > Yes, wiki conferences should as well - that part of conference
funding
is
> important. Even early Wikimanias with almost no WMF support
had
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