I am sorry Anders but I believe you are wrong.
Do you also want to abolish the Ombudsmen that there are quite a few in Sweden?
These are there to give people a place to turn to when they for instance are mistreated by the authorities.
In the companies and schools where I have been working there have also been such instances where you can turn when an employee/schoolchild has been mobbed.
Why would Wiki manage without such an instance? I think you paint a much too rosy picture of the Swedish Wikis, e.g. Swedish Wiktionary.
Regards, Lars Gardenius
________________________________ Von: Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Gesendet: 16:19 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013 Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself
Lars Gardenius skrev 2013-09-05 15:53:
As said I think it is an obvious structural problem of the Wiki organization.
I disagree to that statement.
While Fred is about right likening sv:wp to a medium sized town, being a bit idyllic, even if persons have feelings here to a get in a conflict too (it is the way we, the community, resolve this that differs)
My message is:Even if en:wp with its size need strong structures around administration let us not in general pursue the road of more structures.
Let us instead learn to be more human in our intracommunicaition on the wikis (while still being determined to throw out Pov pusher, selfrpomos etc)
Anders
I don't think the intention of this thread was to solve a single issue but to point out a general problem.
Regards, Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net An: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Gesendet: 15:09 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013 Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself
For a serious discussion to happen you will need to disclose some examples. The next step is to move beyond anecdote to see if there is a general problem.
The particular incident Rui brought up has been pretty much explained, but the question remains about have a new or casual editor who commits a faux pas can simply be reminded not to rather than being vilified and being turned away completely. Everyone does dumb stuff, especially at first. The question is whether they learn anything from it.
Fred
Sorry, but I have seen several instances where it certainly doesn't work. Not in a way you would expect in a normal society anyhow.
Regards, Lars Gardenius
Von: "cro0016@gmail.com" cro0016@gmail.com An: Lars Gardenius lars.gardenius@yahoo.de; Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: "fredbaud@fairpoint.net" fredbaud@fairpoint.net; Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Gesendet: 14:22 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013 Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself
I wouldn't say dispute resolution has never worked, nor does it not work now. It could use improvement, but the same could be said about everything (and like most things, shortages of volunteers make things harder)
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