Hi Darek and Markus, in response to 2 seperate e-mails. Dnia 25 lutego 2013 17:08 Markus Glaser <markus.glaser@wikimedia.de> napisał(a): I think the point about "representing" vs. "serving" was well understood in the London meeting. The planned outcome is a series of actions that serve all the chapters and even other entities. This will be our main focus. As I said before, when it comes to "representing", though, an opt-in model is the best way to go. Markus Dnia 25 lutego 2013 16:59 Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj@alk.edu.pl> napisał(a): just a thought: if we substitute "represent" with "serve", we get much better results, no? While I am not entirely certain if all chapters require "representation" (frankly, it may probably make sense only in terms of relations with the WMF, I don't imagine, at least now, chapters from all over the world suddenly needing external representation), clearly all chapters need support. best, dj Participants of the second day of London know already that we had a small discussion how to name three general services provided by WCA: 2. research 3. voice or communication and the first one - should we call it assistance, advisory or how exactly. My personal idea is that WCA is a service, assisting and co-ordinating organization/cooperation, not a superchapter managing and supervising local chapters - and I guess I am not far from other chapter members. I think we all agreed on a _peer_ review, advisory, assistance, auditing and health checks for volunteers etc. - putting stress on the word "peer". Now, the main problem is how to communicate it. I am afraid that a fear of power hungry WCA blocks its adoption now. And finally, certainly we had no wish to usurp that our visions, ideas and voice reflect a stance of _all_ chapters. We recognize the independance of particular chapters and their choice whether they want to cooperate closer or not. Best Regards,Michał "Aegis Maelstrom" Buczyński, WMPL