Hoi, Neither New York nor Hong Kong are independent. So this is not an argument. It is completely beside the point what is the point is that Kosovo is administratively a separate area. it has its own issues.. Thanks, GerardM
On 27 September 2010 19:13, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 September 2010 10:14, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, I doubt very much that political considerations should be part of the set
up
of a chapter. Asking the Serbian chapter for an opinion is fine. Giving
them
a vote on this is not. Given that Kosovo is a separate jurisdiction means that it fulfils the basic requirement. Given that Hong Kong and New York have chapters the case for Kosovo to have a chapter is at least as strong
if
not stronger.
I don't think we can avoid political considerations. Either we consider Kosovo independant, in which case it can have a chapter without the approval of the Serbian chapter, or we consider it part of Serbia, in which case they are proposing the creation of a sub-national chapter within the jurisdiction of an existing chapter and the Chapters Agreement between the WMF and WMRS gives WMRS at least the right to be consulted if not veto power (when WMUK was negotiating our chapters agreement, we got it changed from consultation to consent, I don't know what WMRS's agreement says).
If WMRS gives consent, then it doesn't really matter (although, my standing objection to sub-national chapters could apply, but at the moment we do allow them so we should do so consistantly). If WMRS refuses to give consent (even if their agreement only gives them the right to be consulted, I would advise against consulting them and then disregarding their views) then we need to actually decide where we fall on the whole Kosovan independance issue. I, for one, don't want to decide where I fall on that issue, but I would be inclined to say that we should go with UN membership as the final arbiter of country status (and Kosovo is not yet a UN member). UN membership is not a perfect arbiter, but it is simple and far more neutral than any other option I can think of.
If the Kosovans are willing to wait, it would be make our lives much easier if we wait until the international community makes up their minds, but that could take a while (it's been 2.5 years already).
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