Hi all,
It’s worth remembering that this functionality is built in to Commons, it’s just not as user-friendly. From the example below, if you put "haswbstatement:P180=Q191931” into the Commons searchbox, you will get the same results. Thanks to the structured data on commons project+team!
Also, around half of the Commons categories now have multilingual labels embedded in them through the Wikidata Infobox, which means that if you do an ordinary search for a phrase in a different language, you should find the correct commons category if it exists. E.g., try searching for “Telescopio Lovell”, or "洛弗尔望远镜". The infobox also has a link at the bottom of it that you can click on to search depicts statements for that category’s topic without having to look up the QID first.
Thanks, Mike
On 24 May 2020, at 10:30, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Two more localisations became available, one for German and one for Swedish. I have asked Alolita if she would help us with a localisation in an Indian language. Anthere, would you be so kind and reach out so that we have a localisation in an African language as well.. (French would also be good to have :) )
In the mean time I have linked pictures of the kakapoa to its Wikidata item, you can search for it in Maori.
For me the point of this proof of concept is that we already can expose material in any of our languages. We can make this available and promote the addition of "depicts" statements in Commons and labels in Wikidata. In a true Wiki way it brings additional functionality to any and all of our users.. It will improve over time.
When we are to know the extend of its usefulness, we need continuous statistics (we have them for Reasonator as well, just as an example). Thanks, GerardM
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 07:33, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Florence I totally agree that proper internatonalisation, localisation is key. What is key for me is that this already provides an easy and obvious search function for mediafiles that have a link to a Wikidata item. Just to stress the point, this is a wiki, we do not need a fully functional search engine (for all the Commons files); that is what we aspire to that is what we work towards.. That will take years. But with a proper search tool, a tool that makes it EASY to use Commons, it may fool me into using Commons for my blog.
To show you that it works, I just looked for "baisikeli https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/baisikeli#Swahili" and made a screenshot [1]. The screenshot is with other files showing the evolution of this tool in a Commons category [2]
Important to notice is that the tool DOES invite you to localise the labels to French, Swahili et al for best results!!
A minor observation, there are all kinds of things that could change in the user interface. Key is that this is a prototype. It is showing us how we can make Commons work for us. Thanks, GerardM
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Appelmoes3.png [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hay%27s_SDSEARCH
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 01:21, Florence Devouard anthere@anthere.org wrote:
Le 24/05/2020 à 00:23, Erik Moeller a écrit :
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:10 AM Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hay Kranen created a proof of concept where Commons is searched for pictures that (per standard) use a "depicts" statement.
This is a beautiful proof of concept; thank you for sharing it, Gerard, and thank you, Hay, for developing it. It really illustrates the power and importance of the Structured Data efforts.
To pick a different example, imagine that you want to illustrate an article about the importance of wheelchair accessibility at your university. You might try a major search engine like Google Images. Try replacing the word "wheelchair" with translations in other languages. Note how the result sets are different, and how you may get a much smaller set of results in languages with a smaller Internet presence.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wheelchair&tbm=isch (English) https://www.google.com/search?q=kitimaguru&tbm=isch (Swahili, far less relevant and smaller set)
In contrast, the use of Wikidata items means that, as long as a label exists for a given language, you can search in _any_ language and get the same images:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/hay/sdsearch/#q=haswbstatement:P180=Q191931
The fact that the UI of this tool is currently English is an implementation detail; even with Hay's implementation, you can type in "kitimaguru" and get the same results as in English.
Sorry Erik, but I do not follow you here...
For some reasons, it is true for "kitimaguru", but if I search for "lamp" (EN) versus "lampe" (FR), or "key" (English) versus "clé" (French), I really do not get the same results at all and of course, it does not proposes me the same Qs.
I love that functionality, do not get me wrong, I am delighted to see it.
But except for English speakers (and now Dutch speakers it seems), it can not be used.
So wonderful proof of concept. But please... let's have all languages here !
Florence
It would be wonderful to see this functionality developed further, and to ultimately make this kind of search functionality central to the user experience for Wikimedia Commons, so that speakers of any language are given _meaningful_ access to freely reusable media.
Warmly,
Erik
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